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	<title>Comments on: Another report of the news from Indonesia</title>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can never reconcile myself with the notion that someone could be forced at gun-point or with the threat of legislation to "convert" to Islam. Reading all the stories about what is going on in Indonesia regarding the Qadianis makes me sick to the stomach. The "Ulema" in Indonesia have taken the same path that their Pakistani brethren took in the past and we all know where that has landed Pakistan. Must Indonesia suffer the same fate?

But didn't the Qadianis themselves since 1914 show a belligerent attitude to all those with whom they did not agree? Notwithstanding their present day slogan of "Love for all, hatred for none", lest we forget :

1. Maulana Muhammad Ali, a learned scholar, an intellectual, had to leave Qadian fearing for his life, at the time of the split in 1914.  It is one thing for the Qadianis to disagree with his views. But a close associate of HMGA did not deserve to be treated the way he was in 1914 by the fanatic supporters of Mirza Mahmood Ahmad sahib. 

2. A fanatic supporter of Khalifa II killed Mr Fakhruddin Multani, an Ahmadi. After the murderer was executed, guess who led his funeral prayers?

3. Maulana Mannan Umar Sahib, a son of Khalifa I was throw out from Rabwah unceremoniously.

4. The gem of all gems: Forgetting the country wide anti-Ahmadiyya movements during the 1930's and in 1953 where the Qadianis were overwhelmingly outnumbered, over-zealous Qadianis attacked some students at Rabwah station in 1974 in response to a provocation. (They did not have the 200 million devotees in Pakistan that they claim they have today worldwide.) We all know what has happened since, don't we? 

If the Qadianis had not encountered people even more fanatic than themselves, there is absolutely no doubt that they would never have renounced  some of their extremist beliefs (like calling other Muslims Kafir). But then, neither have they ever publicly renounced their earlier writings. 

So would anyone take their word for it, if one segment of their jamaat (in Indonesia) says that they do not regard HMGA as a prophet? Does that branch still remain a part of the Qadiani jamaat? Or would this be just a temporary announcement until this latest anti-Ahmadiyya storm abates? And how would they explain to their oponents the Sufi terminology that HMGA has used with regard to his claims? 

The Qadianis should remember they are dealing with people even more fanatic than the fanaticism the Qadianis have for their Khilafat. So if they try to mislead anyone this time with false declarations, they won't be able to fool anyone. I know of non-Ahmadi relatives in Pakistan who are to this day considered by the common Muslims of being "Mirzais" just because they have Ahmadi relatives, no matter how many times they deny that charge. This is the depth to which the minds of common Muslims have degenerated because of the influence of the fanatic clergy in the Muslim world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can never reconcile myself with the notion that someone could be forced at gun-point or with the threat of legislation to &#8220;convert&#8221; to Islam. Reading all the stories about what is going on in Indonesia regarding the Qadianis makes me sick to the stomach. The &#8220;Ulema&#8221; in Indonesia have taken the same path that their Pakistani brethren took in the past and we all know where that has landed Pakistan. Must Indonesia suffer the same fate?</p>
<p>But didn&#8217;t the Qadianis themselves since 1914 show a belligerent attitude to all those with whom they did not agree? Notwithstanding their present day slogan of &#8220;Love for all, hatred for none&#8221;, lest we forget :</p>
<p>1. Maulana Muhammad Ali, a learned scholar, an intellectual, had to leave Qadian fearing for his life, at the time of the split in 1914.  It is one thing for the Qadianis to disagree with his views. But a close associate of HMGA did not deserve to be treated the way he was in 1914 by the fanatic supporters of Mirza Mahmood Ahmad sahib. </p>
<p>2. A fanatic supporter of Khalifa II killed Mr Fakhruddin Multani, an Ahmadi. After the murderer was executed, guess who led his funeral prayers?</p>
<p>3. Maulana Mannan Umar Sahib, a son of Khalifa I was throw out from Rabwah unceremoniously.</p>
<p>4. The gem of all gems: Forgetting the country wide anti-Ahmadiyya movements during the 1930&#8217;s and in 1953 where the Qadianis were overwhelmingly outnumbered, over-zealous Qadianis attacked some students at Rabwah station in 1974 in response to a provocation. (They did not have the 200 million devotees in Pakistan that they claim they have today worldwide.) We all know what has happened since, don&#8217;t we? </p>
<p>If the Qadianis had not encountered people even more fanatic than themselves, there is absolutely no doubt that they would never have renounced  some of their extremist beliefs (like calling other Muslims Kafir). But then, neither have they ever publicly renounced their earlier writings. </p>
<p>So would anyone take their word for it, if one segment of their jamaat (in Indonesia) says that they do not regard HMGA as a prophet? Does that branch still remain a part of the Qadiani jamaat? Or would this be just a temporary announcement until this latest anti-Ahmadiyya storm abates? And how would they explain to their oponents the Sufi terminology that HMGA has used with regard to his claims? </p>
<p>The Qadianis should remember they are dealing with people even more fanatic than the fanaticism the Qadianis have for their Khilafat. So if they try to mislead anyone this time with false declarations, they won&#8217;t be able to fool anyone. I know of non-Ahmadi relatives in Pakistan who are to this day considered by the common Muslims of being &#8220;Mirzais&#8221; just because they have Ahmadi relatives, no matter how many times they deny that charge. This is the depth to which the minds of common Muslims have degenerated because of the influence of the fanatic clergy in the Muslim world.</p>
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