Comments on: Translation of Qadiani Jamaat Indonesia statement

By: Zahid Aziz

Zahid Aziz — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:56:24 +0000

The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement has always held very strongly that anyone who recites the kalima must be regarded as a Muslim by any Muslim governments or organisations. On this basis, it has specifically held that the Qadiani Jamaat is Muslim and cannot be declared as non-Muslim on the grounds of believing in Hazrat Mirza sahib as prophet. Moreover, it has also been our view that if the Qadiani Jamaat is declared non-Muslim on these grounds then the Sunni Muslims don’t remain Muslims either because of their belief in a prophet (Jesus) coming after the Holy Prophet. In fact, a pandora’s box will be opened of each Muslim sect complaining about some other as being non-Muslim.

We are not discussing the Qadiani Jamaat statement from the point of view that they should deny their belief in the prophethood of Hazrat Mirza sahib in order to remain Muslims in someone’s eyes. They should be regarded as Muslims in any case on the basis of the first point in their statement. What we are discussing is whether the beliefs they presented in this statement are a full and accurate reflection of their beliefs on the controversial points.

By: Tahir Ijaz

Tahir Ijaz — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:08:01 +0000

Erwan, the issue is the government threatening religious liberty of its own citizens due to influence of narrow minded Mullah -ism. Please recognize the disease.

Today it may be us, tomorrow they may come after you for not believing the literal descent of Hazrat Isa (fatwas on this already exist) and for your belief the non-Ahmadis are ‘fasiq’ for rejecting a mujaddid.

By: Abdul Momin

Abdul Momin — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:51:41 +0000

I think to clarify this situation whether the Qadiani jamaat in Indonesia believes HMGA to be a prophet or not, a copy of the press release from London by the Qadiani jamaat should be sent to the Indonesian government, who then should in turn forward it to the concerned Qadiani jamaat leaders for their comments. I think this would make the situation very clear.

By: Erwan

Erwan — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:45:36 +0000

This is not about what you called religious liberties, it is about the unity of Muslims especially in Indonesia. Qadiyanis believe that all other Muslims are kafir and outside pale of Islam, and this belief makes the Qadiyani Jamaat an exclusive organization. All of this disunity is based on their belief that there is a prophet after Holy Prophet. If you ask the Indonesian goverment about religious liberties, please remember that it is also not religious liberty by the Qadiani Jamaat that they regard other Muslims as a kafir and outside pale of Islam.

By: Tahir Ijaz

Tahir Ijaz — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:32:07 +0000

Erwan, this should not be a Lahori vs Qadiani issue. the sad commentary here is your country is turning into a basketcase nation with government interference in religious liberties.