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	<title>Comments on: Mirza Masroor Ahmad&#8217;s khutba, 8th February</title>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more quotes from Huzur's khutba:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#34;Huzur said similarly in India the mullah is harassing the Ahmadis; people who are only Muslims in name, with no knowledge of the Qur’an or Salat, are only aware that Ahmadis are Kafir. The Ahmadis, Huzur said, should continue to turn to God and do what it is that they are required to do.&#34;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some years ago, the claim was made that in India alone in one year, there had been 40 million new Ahmadi converts (Qadianis). One would think that by now that number would have increased substantially. Unless the number of non-Ahmadi Muslims has increased dramatically too, it is hard to imagine that Qadianis would still let themselves be persecuted by other Muslims in India. Surely such a large number of Qadianis must have a substantial political clout as well.

Further Huzur says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#34;With our Khilafat Centenary approaching the envier will envy us even more. They grieve that Khilafat has been snatched away from them while we are enjoying its fruits. Some of our opponents now openly declare that the Muslim world cannot carry on without Khilafat. Huzur read an excerpt to this effect.&#34;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those who are talking about Khilafat whether Ahmadis or non-Ahmadis should realize that the Muslim world is now split in so many different sects that nobody would ever agree on any single Khalifa. At best each sect can have its own Khalifa, but that is about it. Most of the Muslim heads of State often cannot agree on the seating arrangements at Muslim Conferences, let alone agree on a single head of state (secular or spiritual) for the entire Muslim world.

If Huzur has the extremist Muslims in his mind (who also want to revive the Caliphate), then the way they plan to do it is by the sword. So maybe that is not a very good  example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more quotes from Huzur&#8217;s khutba:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;Huzur said similarly in India the mullah is harassing the Ahmadis; people who are only Muslims in name, with no knowledge of the Qur’an or Salat, are only aware that Ahmadis are Kafir. The Ahmadis, Huzur said, should continue to turn to God and do what it is that they are required to do.&quot;</p></blockquote>
<p>Some years ago, the claim was made that in India alone in one year, there had been 40 million new Ahmadi converts (Qadianis). One would think that by now that number would have increased substantially. Unless the number of non-Ahmadi Muslims has increased dramatically too, it is hard to imagine that Qadianis would still let themselves be persecuted by other Muslims in India. Surely such a large number of Qadianis must have a substantial political clout as well.</p>
<p>Further Huzur says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;With our Khilafat Centenary approaching the envier will envy us even more. They grieve that Khilafat has been snatched away from them while we are enjoying its fruits. Some of our opponents now openly declare that the Muslim world cannot carry on without Khilafat. Huzur read an excerpt to this effect.&quot;</p></blockquote>
<p>Those who are talking about Khilafat whether Ahmadis or non-Ahmadis should realize that the Muslim world is now split in so many different sects that nobody would ever agree on any single Khalifa. At best each sect can have its own Khalifa, but that is about it. Most of the Muslim heads of State often cannot agree on the seating arrangements at Muslim Conferences, let alone agree on a single head of state (secular or spiritual) for the entire Muslim world.</p>
<p>If Huzur has the extremist Muslims in his mind (who also want to revive the Caliphate), then the way they plan to do it is by the sword. So maybe that is not a very good  example.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/02/10/mirza-masroor-ahmads-khutba-8th-february/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see this khutba on youtube (in 6 parts):

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Khutba+Jumma+08%2F02%2F2008&#38;search_type=&#38;search=Search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see this khutba on youtube (in 6 parts):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Khutba+Jumma+08%2F02%2F2008&amp;search_type=&amp;search=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Khutba+Jumma+08%2F02%2F2008&amp;search_type=&amp;search=Search</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Huzur said he would reiterate to the Lahore Movement and those who have not taken the pledge of allegiance to Ahmadiyya Khilafat to have some fear of God in terms of what our stance about the Promised Messiah is. Huzur remarked who has progressed in leaps and bounds: those who accept the Anjuman or those who consider Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Messiah and the Mahdi? Who is established in 189 countries of the world? Who has Allah’s practical testimony with them? Those who accept him as a Messiah or those who consider him a guru?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is Huzur ignorant about the beliefs of the Lahore Movement? Why does he even bring up the issue of Messiah and Mehdi concerning AAIIL? Is he not aware that as far as beliefs are concerned the main difference between the two jamaats is whether HMGA was a prophet or a wali? That both jamaats consider HMGA as the Promised Messiah and Mehdi?

The third of the 12-point statement by the Qadiani Jama`at in Indonesia reads:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#34;Among our beliefs, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a &lt;strong&gt;teacher&lt;/strong&gt;, murshid, bearer of good news and warnings, and bearer of mubashshirat, founder and leader of jamaat Ahmadiyat, whose mission was to strengthen dawah and propagation of Islam which was brought by Muhammad (PBUH) the Prophet.&#34; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So calling HMGA a &#34;guru&#34; which in Hinduism means one's personal spiritual advisor or &lt;strong&gt;teacher&lt;/strong&gt; would be more applicable to the Indonesian Qadiani jamaat than the Lahori jamaat which usually refers to HMGA as a Mujaddid, Muhaddas, Saint, or Waliullah.

Was Huzur taking a dig at his own jamaat in Indonesia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Huzur said he would reiterate to the Lahore Movement and those who have not taken the pledge of allegiance to Ahmadiyya Khilafat to have some fear of God in terms of what our stance about the Promised Messiah is. Huzur remarked who has progressed in leaps and bounds: those who accept the Anjuman or those who consider Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Messiah and the Mahdi? Who is established in 189 countries of the world? Who has Allah’s practical testimony with them? Those who accept him as a Messiah or those who consider him a guru?</p></blockquote>
<p>Is Huzur ignorant about the beliefs of the Lahore Movement? Why does he even bring up the issue of Messiah and Mehdi concerning AAIIL? Is he not aware that as far as beliefs are concerned the main difference between the two jamaats is whether HMGA was a prophet or a wali? That both jamaats consider HMGA as the Promised Messiah and Mehdi?</p>
<p>The third of the 12-point statement by the Qadiani Jama`at in Indonesia reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;Among our beliefs, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a <strong>teacher</strong>, murshid, bearer of good news and warnings, and bearer of mubashshirat, founder and leader of jamaat Ahmadiyat, whose mission was to strengthen dawah and propagation of Islam which was brought by Muhammad (PBUH) the Prophet.&quot; </p></blockquote>
<p>So calling HMGA a &quot;guru&quot; which in Hinduism means one&#8217;s personal spiritual advisor or <strong>teacher</strong> would be more applicable to the Indonesian Qadiani jamaat than the Lahori jamaat which usually refers to HMGA as a Mujaddid, Muhaddas, Saint, or Waliullah.</p>
<p>Was Huzur taking a dig at his own jamaat in Indonesia?</p>
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