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	<title>Comments on: A question about accepting Hazrat Mirza sahib and my reply</title>
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		<title>By: Bashir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to answer his question.

Here are the facts.
a.  In 1899-1902 HMGA wrote a book called Tiryaq ul Qulub.  In this book he wrote that denial of a prophet(which bring new commandments) makes a man a Kafir, which puts that man outside Islam.  Denial of a muhaddaas was not something that turned a muslim into a non-muslim.  

b.  All prophets bring new commandments.  Some more than others.  As is the case with Moses and the HP.   Also all prophets have the ability to change law.  Anyhow, the person who doesnt believe in these prophets is a Kafir and is not a muslim. 

c.  HMGA wrote in TQ ,since he was a muhaddas(non-prophet) his deniers were not Kafirs.  He wrote something to the effect that his deniers die a death of ignorance.    

d.  Up until 1900(at least) both sides agree that the deniers of the Messiah were still muslim.

e.  Later in Haqiqatul Wahy(1907), HMGA decided to class his deniers into a new group.  

HMGA described Kafir as falling into 2 groups.  I dont know why he waited until the last year of his life to describe this.

GROUP A:  Deniers of allah and the HP were Kafirs that were &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;outside&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; Islam.

GROUP B: Deniers of HMGA were Kafirs that were &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;inside&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; Islam.

HMGA also made a vague statement.  He wrote that there was no difference between the two groups in the eyes of Allah.  This statement caused so much confusion. 

Moving on............

Tahir, the aaiil also believe that HMGA was an ummati nabi.  

I bet you dont even know the change in EGKI.  Please reveal your level of reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to answer his question.</p>
<p>Here are the facts.<br />
a.  In 1899-1902 HMGA wrote a book called Tiryaq ul Qulub.  In this book he wrote that denial of a prophet(which bring new commandments) makes a man a Kafir, which puts that man outside Islam.  Denial of a muhaddaas was not something that turned a muslim into a non-muslim.  </p>
<p>b.  All prophets bring new commandments.  Some more than others.  As is the case with Moses and the HP.   Also all prophets have the ability to change law.  Anyhow, the person who doesnt believe in these prophets is a Kafir and is not a muslim. </p>
<p>c.  HMGA wrote in TQ ,since he was a muhaddas(non-prophet) his deniers were not Kafirs.  He wrote something to the effect that his deniers die a death of ignorance.    </p>
<p>d.  Up until 1900(at least) both sides agree that the deniers of the Messiah were still muslim.</p>
<p>e.  Later in Haqiqatul Wahy(1907), HMGA decided to class his deniers into a new group.  </p>
<p>HMGA described Kafir as falling into 2 groups.  I dont know why he waited until the last year of his life to describe this.</p>
<p>GROUP A:  Deniers of allah and the HP were Kafirs that were <em><strong>outside</strong></em> Islam.</p>
<p>GROUP B: Deniers of HMGA were Kafirs that were <strong><em>inside</em></strong> Islam.</p>
<p>HMGA also made a vague statement.  He wrote that there was no difference between the two groups in the eyes of Allah.  This statement caused so much confusion. </p>
<p>Moving on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Tahir, the aaiil also believe that HMGA was an ummati nabi.  </p>
<p>I bet you dont even know the change in EGKI.  Please reveal your level of reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Bashir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tahir Mahmood is a victim of circumstance.  Most ahmadis dont understand the views of the aaiil.  Its not their fault.  My jamaat doesnt promote discussion with the aaiil.  Most members have never read a book by M. ali.  Some of these members are doctors, engineers, etc.  But they just dont have a knack for un-biased research.

Before 1999 it was almost impossible to read about the views of the aaiil.  I think aaiil.org has been around for about 10 years.  My point is that pre-2000 it was hard to read about the aaiil.  But now the information is abundant, thanks to zahid aziz and company.

Just think, in 1990 if you wanted to read a book by m.ali you would have to go Lahore.  Now you can go to aaiil.org.

I implore Tahir Mahmood to read all the books of M. ali.  I guarantee that if if he reads all of the literature in connection with the split, he will agree that the aaiil won almost every argument.  

The aaiil lost in the biggest battle............ the hearts of men.

I bet Tahir can read urdu.  I wish i could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tahir Mahmood is a victim of circumstance.  Most ahmadis dont understand the views of the aaiil.  Its not their fault.  My jamaat doesnt promote discussion with the aaiil.  Most members have never read a book by M. ali.  Some of these members are doctors, engineers, etc.  But they just dont have a knack for un-biased research.</p>
<p>Before 1999 it was almost impossible to read about the views of the aaiil.  I think aaiil.org has been around for about 10 years.  My point is that pre-2000 it was hard to read about the aaiil.  But now the information is abundant, thanks to zahid aziz and company.</p>
<p>Just think, in 1990 if you wanted to read a book by m.ali you would have to go Lahore.  Now you can go to aaiil.org.</p>
<p>I implore Tahir Mahmood to read all the books of M. ali.  I guarantee that if if he reads all of the literature in connection with the split, he will agree that the aaiil won almost every argument.  </p>
<p>The aaiil lost in the biggest battle&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; the hearts of men.</p>
<p>I bet Tahir can read urdu.  I wish i could.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that the inquirer belongs to the Qadiani jama'at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that the inquirer belongs to the Qadiani jama&#8217;at.</p>
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