http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=12597

What you call the “one main understanding of its general principles” is also shared by Lahori Ahmadis and even Qadianis. Try naming anything actually shared by all Sunnis, and it is most likely to be believed by Lahore Ahmadis and Qadianis.

You should be proud that Islam is such a religion that all Muslims, including Ahmadis, agree on so many basics, a commonality not found in non-Islamic religions.

As to differences between Ahmadis, you may know that the Sunni sects, who you say agree on general principles, call each other kafir. They don’t pray behind each other’s imams.

The Taliban in North West Pakistan are certainly not in agreement about the nature of Islamic society and about what is jihad with other Sunni Muslims of the same country. Killings are daily taking place on that basis.

Islam teaches that the followers of Jesus went astray very shortly after his time. Yet Islam also says that Jesus was a true prophet. It requires Muslims to believe both things: (1) that he was true and (2) that his followers developed wrong beliefs about his status shortly after him!

Right, but even within the various interpretations, there is one main understanding of its general principles and beliefs (most Muslims are “Sunni” and share the same beliefs), whereas the followers of MGA disagree on even his most fundamental of his beliefs.

In fact, according to the Lahori group, the main followers of MGA are upon falsehood!  So, if Ahmadiyya is true, Allah buried it under orthodox Islam and then under false Ahmadiyya.  Makes the Truth a bit hard to come by, doesn’t it?

I believe Allah has made the Truth of Islam clear.

In front of the same court, this book, as well as Aina-Sadaqat written by Khalifa II, was quoted by Maulana Maudoodi during his testimony, to point out the duplicity of the Qadiani jamaat leaders. Maulana Maudoodi (who at one time during the 1930’s had declared the Lahori Ahmadis Muslims in contrast to the Qadianis), was no friend of the Lahori Ahmadis. But in his testimony he said ” Who doesn’t know that the issue over which the Qadianis have differed with the Lahori Ahmadis over the past 35 years has been the point that the Qadianis consider all Muslims who deny the prophethood of Mirza Saheb as non-Muslims and the Lahoris consider this belief to be wrong. If in this debate, “kafir” and “expulsion from the fold of Islam” did not carry the same meanings as are generally understood by Muslims then what was the point of dispute between the two parties”? (Qadiani Masala by Maulana Maudoodi)

This comment by Maudoodi is on page 62 of the book Qadiani Masala (Acrobat Reader page 67) But this whole book is in Urdu. You can download it from :

http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/bookpdf/book.htm

But you will have to find someone who can read Urdu, and then translate it for you.

I am glad that you (and hopefully others from your jama’at) are now being exposed to and perhaps starting to read our literature.

May Allah open everyone’s heart, ours as well as yours, to the truth.

Tariq

This is the Maudoodi book in english:

http://alhafeez.org/rashid/maududi2.html

I think its an abridged version.  I didnt find the statement that you referred to.

But note also that discussions about general Islamic issues have been taking place between Muslims for 14 centuries, many of which are no less confusing. One was, is the Quran created or has it existed since eternity? What an abstruse, impractical debate, but people were put to death over it centuries ago. Then there are the Deobandi vs. Barelvi controversies about whether the Holy Prophet was “nur” or “bashar”, or whether one should say “Ya rasul-ullah” or if this is “shirk” and one only ought to say “rasul-ullah”.There have been riots in Pakistan over this.

Then there is the case of the prophets before the Holy Prophet Muhammad and their followers. They were from Allah. Yet the followers of Jesus, for example, almost from the beginning debated his status, as to how much he claimed to be God and how much he was mortal.

I would say to Farhan that our discussions show the great extent to which the followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are digressing from the real message and mission of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I am truly sorry that our behaviour makes people think that he was not from Allah.

I am a traditional Muslim from the Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama’a. (People of the Sunnah and the Main group)

I read this discussion and it seems to be a dispute between the Lahoris and the Qadianis (I never use this term, because they find it offensive.  I only use it to distinguish between the two) about what MGA really meant when he claimed to be a Prophet.  Did he mean Prophet in the actual sense or metaphorical sense?

Islam is for the layman and the intellectual.  Why then would Allah inspire a person with a message that is confusing, even to its followers?  The message should be clear and clean, not confusing.

But look at this discussion.  People are debating what he really meant, what he said originally, what he said later, ad nauseum.  Doesn’t this show that he is not really from Allah?