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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I know which word is being referred to, and I always kept that in mind. But how much more convoluted can it get? This so called neutral Muslim posing as a Qadiani seems to actually regret that HMGA's claim is &lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;that of a Prophet.

Life for these people is so much easier when they take the Qadiani jamaat's members' beliefs concerning HMGA at their face value. This way they don't have to prove anything. All they have to do is to sling mud - the easiest job in the world. Like in most other matters, they are too lazy to try to understand anything which involves attaining knowledge. Their expertise lies only in mischief - which has become second nature to them.

But at least this gives us first-hand knowledge of what it must have been like in HMGA's time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I know which word is being referred to, and I always kept that in mind. But how much more convoluted can it get? This so called neutral Muslim posing as a Qadiani seems to actually regret that HMGA&#8217;s claim is <strong>not </strong>that of a Prophet.</p>
<p>Life for these people is so much easier when they take the Qadiani jamaat&#8217;s members&#8217; beliefs concerning HMGA at their face value. This way they don&#8217;t have to prove anything. All they have to do is to sling mud - the easiest job in the world. Like in most other matters, they are too lazy to try to understand anything which involves attaining knowledge. Their expertise lies only in mischief - which has become second nature to them.</p>
<p>But at least this gives us first-hand knowledge of what it must have been like in HMGA&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahid Aziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahid Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was from the spelling of a word in a post by Hassan that I guessed that he was from Indonesia. No wonder he wasn't answering my question whether he was from that country, because I have now discovered that his posts originated from Indonesia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was from the spelling of a word in a post by Hassan that I guessed that he was from Indonesia. No wonder he wasn&#8217;t answering my question whether he was from that country, because I have now discovered that his posts originated from Indonesia.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/10/06/tomb-of-jesus-can-muslim-saints-be-prophets/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is remarkable isn't it ? Or maybe it isn't. Whenever one of these anti-Ahmadiyya cranks visit us to "defeat" us from the shallowness of their minds (and not from any knowledge of religion) their best weapon is deception and camouflage. A few years ago there was this person thumping his chest just as loudly as this recent one. Guess what? It turned out that he was posting under two different names and making it look like there were two posters "debating" us. Finally, he made a critical error by addressing himself while thinking that he was posting as the other person. 

These people really give the anti-Ahmadiyya lobby a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is remarkable isn&#8217;t it ? Or maybe it isn&#8217;t. Whenever one of these anti-Ahmadiyya cranks visit us to &#8220;defeat&#8221; us from the shallowness of their minds (and not from any knowledge of religion) their best weapon is deception and camouflage. A few years ago there was this person thumping his chest just as loudly as this recent one. Guess what? It turned out that he was posting under two different names and making it look like there were two posters &#8220;debating&#8221; us. Finally, he made a critical error by addressing himself while thinking that he was posting as the other person. </p>
<p>These people really give the anti-Ahmadiyya lobby a bad name.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahid Aziz</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/10/06/tomb-of-jesus-can-muslim-saints-be-prophets/#comment-2176</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahid Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Hassan, we have been answering every question you have put to us, but you have been repeating the same again and again in different forms. Also, you have &lt;strong&gt;failed &lt;/strong&gt;to answer the questions that I asked you. Moreover, it appears that you are an anti-Ahmadiyya zealot just playing a game of arguing from the Qadiani Jamaat perspective.

I have published your last comment above, even though you are impugning the integrity of our respected contributors. They don't hide behind false names and false affiliations. No further post by you will be published here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Hassan, we have been answering every question you have put to us, but you have been repeating the same again and again in different forms. Also, you have <strong>failed </strong>to answer the questions that I asked you. Moreover, it appears that you are an anti-Ahmadiyya zealot just playing a game of arguing from the Qadiani Jamaat perspective.</p>
<p>I have published your last comment above, even though you are impugning the integrity of our respected contributors. They don&#8217;t hide behind false names and false affiliations. No further post by you will be published here.</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment it only your trick for covering and to hide your shame mister 
all readers here have known it !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment it only your trick for covering and to hide your shame mister <br />
all readers here have known it !</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/10/06/tomb-of-jesus-can-muslim-saints-be-prophets/#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I thought about posting a lengthy response describing the character of someone posing as one of a group of poeple whom he hates - the Qadianis. He wrote on August 23, 2008, concerning HMGA: 

"Now after I got answering from you, I believe that he is one the messenger of Allah." 

But after further consideration, I realized that we are dealing with a deeply troubled person. Whatever psychological problems he may have, it is fairly obvious that his mental space has become one dimensional. Something in life has made him go over the edge. So whatever he does or says appear to him as right, and he cannot see the contradictions within his own self. What troubles me the most, however, is that like a serial killer, he actually wanted to be found out who he was and what he was. This can only be the thinking of a mentally deranged person. 

As he is a fellow human being, we can only pray to the Almighty to remove his troubles and enable him to see and think clearly. Ameen. 

I do not see any further point in having "discussions" with a Crank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought about posting a lengthy response describing the character of someone posing as one of a group of poeple whom he hates - the Qadianis. He wrote on August 23, 2008, concerning HMGA: </p>
<p>&#8220;Now after I got answering from you, I believe that he is one the messenger of Allah.&#8221; </p>
<p>But after further consideration, I realized that we are dealing with a deeply troubled person. Whatever psychological problems he may have, it is fairly obvious that his mental space has become one dimensional. Something in life has made him go over the edge. So whatever he does or says appear to him as right, and he cannot see the contradictions within his own self. What troubles me the most, however, is that like a serial killer, he actually wanted to be found out who he was and what he was. This can only be the thinking of a mentally deranged person. </p>
<p>As he is a fellow human being, we can only pray to the Almighty to remove his troubles and enable him to see and think clearly. Ameen. </p>
<p>I do not see any further point in having &#8220;discussions&#8221; with a Crank.</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>



Mr. Abdul Momin
Obviously you did not read or understand what Skunk's post


It is not strange for me if you also did not understand what MGA said in his book.


Read what skunk posted:


"I really thought that you will be at least worth having a debate, but after reading your responses to Hassan’s posts, it is quite evident to me, you are no different from any other Quadiani. &lt;strong&gt;You have absolutely no valid arguments to support your claims or support the writings of Mirza, except conjecture&lt;/strong&gt;. Same old word game, Mirza played all his life, I am, I am not."


 


I am still searching for a Quadiani who is remotely truthful. But I think my search will be in vain. I was amongst those Muslims who knew absolutely nothing about your cult. And I mean both your Anjuman and Jamat, I consider both of you the same &lt;strong&gt;except that your anjuman to be hypocrite of highest degree.&lt;/strong&gt; When I started to read your Mirza’s literature I was open minded. I started to research after coming across some one in my life albeit by chance whose wife belongs to this cult.


I think you guys are halfway house. You deliberately and knowingly hide the truth that Mirza didn’t declare himself as Prophet. Anyhow, nothing Mirza wrote could be justified. &lt;strong&gt;I have started to write articles recently on my blog after debating on some Quadiani Forums.&lt;/strong&gt; .....


 


 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Abdul Momin<br />
Obviously you did not read or understand what Skunk&#8217;s post</p>
<p>It is not strange for me if you also did not understand what MGA said in his book.</p>
<p>Read what skunk posted:</p>
<p>&#8220;I really thought that you will be at least worth having a debate, but after reading your responses to Hassan’s posts, it is quite evident to me, you are no different from any other Quadiani. <strong>You have absolutely no valid arguments to support your claims or support the writings of Mirza, except conjecture</strong>. Same old word game, Mirza played all his life, I am, I am not.&#8221;</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I am still searching for a Quadiani who is remotely truthful. But I think my search will be in vain. I was amongst those Muslims who knew absolutely nothing about your cult. And I mean both your Anjuman and Jamat, I consider both of you the same <strong>except that your anjuman to be hypocrite of highest degree.</strong> When I started to read your Mirza’s literature I was open minded. I started to research after coming across some one in my life albeit by chance whose wife belongs to this cult.</p>
<p>I think you guys are halfway house. You deliberately and knowingly hide the truth that Mirza didn’t declare himself as Prophet. Anyhow, nothing Mirza wrote could be justified. <strong>I have started to write articles recently on my blog after debating on some Quadiani Forums.</strong> &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Momin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul Momin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous post is pretty evident about which book I read. No need to repeat myself. SINCE YOU ARE A &lt;strong&gt;NEW CONVERT TO THE QADIANI JAMAAT&lt;/strong&gt;, I SUGGEST THAT YOU FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH HMGA'S BOOKS AND HIS BELIEFS BEFORE DEBATING ANYTHING.

To the blog Administrator: 
Isn't it remarkable that the first comment from the 'skunk was:

"I really thought that you will be at least worth having a debate, but after reading your responses to &lt;strong&gt;Hassan’s&lt;/strong&gt; posts, it is quite evident to me, you are no different from any other Quadiani........."

A self-proclaimed anti-Qadiani finds &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;rationality&lt;/strong&gt; in a Qadiani's views when he debates with them, &lt;strong&gt;but seems to have such a soft corner&lt;/strong&gt; for him here that before debating anything with the AAIIL, he condemns them before discussing anything with them!

How touching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous post is pretty evident about which book I read. No need to repeat myself. SINCE YOU ARE A <strong>NEW CONVERT TO THE QADIANI JAMAAT</strong>, I SUGGEST THAT YOU FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH HMGA&#8217;S BOOKS AND HIS BELIEFS BEFORE DEBATING ANYTHING.</p>
<p>To the blog Administrator:<br />
Isn&#8217;t it remarkable that the first comment from the &#8217;skunk was:</p>
<p>&#8220;I really thought that you will be at least worth having a debate, but after reading your responses to <strong>Hassan’s</strong> posts, it is quite evident to me, you are no different from any other Quadiani&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>A self-proclaimed anti-Qadiani finds <strong>no</strong> <strong>rationality</strong> in a Qadiani&#8217;s views when he debates with them, <strong>but seems to have such a soft corner</strong> for him here that before debating anything with the AAIIL, he condemns them before discussing anything with them!</p>
<p>How touching!</p>
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		<title>By: Zahid Aziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahid Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Hassan, I can certainly show you the references from Hazrat Mirza sahib's writings, and &lt;strong&gt;on the Qadiani Jamaat's own website.&lt;/strong&gt; But when you realise that you can't answer them, you will simply say nothing. That's what you have been doing up to now. You accused me of "slander" when I wrote that you consider other Muslims to be kafir and outside the fold of Islam. But when I provided the references, you became quiet, instead of answering or admitting that you were wrong.

Why don't you answer whether you are from Indonesia? I have asked you this three times before.

We don't even know whether you are actually a member of the Qadiani Jamaat. It is quite possible that you are an opponent of the Ahmadiyya Movement pretending to be a Qadiani. It is an anti-Ahmadiyya ploy and tactic to try to prove that the Qadiani beliefs about Hazrat Mirza sahib's claim are correct and ours are wrong, because it strengthens your case for denouncing the Promised Messiah. How will you prove to us that you are really a member of the Qadiani Jamaat? Perhaps with a photograph in the company of the khalifa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Hassan, I can certainly show you the references from Hazrat Mirza sahib&#8217;s writings, and <strong>on the Qadiani Jamaat&#8217;s own website.</strong> But when you realise that you can&#8217;t answer them, you will simply say nothing. That&#8217;s what you have been doing up to now. You accused me of &#8220;slander&#8221; when I wrote that you consider other Muslims to be kafir and outside the fold of Islam. But when I provided the references, you became quiet, instead of answering or admitting that you were wrong.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you answer whether you are from Indonesia? I have asked you this three times before.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even know whether you are actually a member of the Qadiani Jamaat. It is quite possible that you are an opponent of the Ahmadiyya Movement pretending to be a Qadiani. It is an anti-Ahmadiyya ploy and tactic to try to prove that the Qadiani beliefs about Hazrat Mirza sahib&#8217;s claim are correct and ours are wrong, because it strengthens your case for denouncing the Promised Messiah. How will you prove to us that you are really a member of the Qadiani Jamaat? Perhaps with a photograph in the company of the khalifa.</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/10/06/tomb-of-jesus-can-muslim-saints-be-prophets/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Zahid, 
Where I can found out about MGA's writting that “the khatam-ul-anbiya of the Israelites is named Isa and the khatam-ul-anbiya of Islam is named Ahmad and Muhammad”? 
Please show me in aaiil website, thanks 

Mr. Abdul Momin, 
What book did you read Mr. Abdul Momin? 
I am talking about book the ark noah in aaiil website which clearly mentioned that the Khatam-Ul-Khulafa means the most perfect among the successors of the Holy Prophet 
Please read in the bracket on page 8 
Overall, your explanation shows that you did not understand the concept well. 
In this book MGA only says that Allah has conveyed to him that the Muhammadi Messiah 
stands higher in RANK than the Mosaic Messiah. 
he did not say anything about the Last successor 

Mr. Abdul Momin said: "However, while there can be no more prophets after the last of the prophets (Holy Prophet) because the perfection of scriptures prevents the appearance of a new prophet, a new Muslim saint in the future who does not resemble an Isreali prophet is not forbidden to the world because no saint ever brings or adds anything to the exisiting scriptures. " 

If MGA claims that he was the Last saints, how could a new Muslim saint in the future still can appear into the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Zahid,<br />
Where I can found out about MGA&#8217;s writting that “the khatam-ul-anbiya of the Israelites is named Isa and the khatam-ul-anbiya of Islam is named Ahmad and Muhammad”?<br />
Please show me in aaiil website, thanks </p>
<p>Mr. Abdul Momin,<br />
What book did you read Mr. Abdul Momin?<br />
I am talking about book the ark noah in aaiil website which clearly mentioned that the Khatam-Ul-Khulafa means the most perfect among the successors of the Holy Prophet<br />
Please read in the bracket on page 8<br />
Overall, your explanation shows that you did not understand the concept well.<br />
In this book MGA only says that Allah has conveyed to him that the Muhammadi Messiah<br />
stands higher in RANK than the Mosaic Messiah.<br />
he did not say anything about the Last successor </p>
<p>Mr. Abdul Momin said: &#8220;However, while there can be no more prophets after the last of the prophets (Holy Prophet) because the perfection of scriptures prevents the appearance of a new prophet, a new Muslim saint in the future who does not resemble an Isreali prophet is not forbidden to the world because no saint ever brings or adds anything to the exisiting scriptures. &#8221; </p>
<p>If MGA claims that he was the Last saints, how could a new Muslim saint in the future still can appear into the world?</p>
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