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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
		<link>http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2010/01/04/1974-pakistan-national-assembly-hearings/#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer Musa (1917-2008)
 
She was member of Pakistan National Assembly in 1974 on ticket of ANP (formally NAP) of Wali Khan from Baluchistan Province. Faith wise she was Christian.
 
Abdul Hafiz Pirzada has mentioned her name in his interview with Najam Sethi tv program on Dunya tv aired on January 3, 2010.
 
In 1974 during trial of Ahmadis in National Assembly, while Abdul Manan Omar sahib was testifying on behalf of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, member national assembly Maulana Mufti Mahmud blurted ‘Mirzai murtad hein, aur yeh wajab-ul-qatal hein’ (Ahmadis are guilty of apostasy, and they must be killed). Abdul Manan Omar sahib replied that in Islam there is no punishment for apostasy. This reply got attention of then speaker of National Assembly, Sahibzada Farooq Ali sahib and he asked Abdul Manan Omar sahib to expand on his reply. In the discussion that ensued, Abdul Manan Omar sahib asked Mufti Mahmud sahib to support his Fatwa with Holy Quran verse. Mufti Mahmud replied, that there is no verse in Holy Quran that supports this, but Hadith supports this. Abdul Manan sahib asked Mufti sahib to quote that Hadith. Mufti sahib quoted a Hadith. Abdul Manan sahib asked Mufti sahib to please also translate it in Urdu. Mufti sahib translated it into Urdu, ‘Jis nay apna deen tubdeel kia, wooh wajab-ul-qatal hein’ (who so ever changes his religion, must be killed). 

At this reply Abdul Manan sahib turned to Ms. Jennifer Musa and addressed her, “Muhtarma, Mufti sahib is scholar of Islam. If you ever get impressed by his speeches on Islam and decide to convert to Islam, then I would advice you to say final good-bye to your family members, because with one hand Mufti sahib will bring you into the fold of Islam and with other hand he will chop your head off”. According to Abdul Manan Omar sahib the whole house laughed. Anyways, discussion continued and finally decision was made that there is no punishment for apostasy in Islam. On Abdul Manan Omar sahib request, Mr. Speaker placed the decision on record of National Assembly.
 
Link to an article on Jennifer Musa:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pakistaniat.com/2010/01/12/jennifer-wren-musa/&quot;target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pakistaniat.com/2010/01/12/jennifer-wren-musa/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Musa (1917-2008)<br />
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She was member of Pakistan National Assembly in 1974 on ticket of ANP (formally NAP) of Wali Khan from Baluchistan Province. Faith wise she was Christian.<br />
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Abdul Hafiz Pirzada has mentioned her name in his interview with Najam Sethi tv program on Dunya tv aired on January 3, 2010.<br />
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In 1974 during trial of Ahmadis in National Assembly, while Abdul Manan Omar sahib was testifying on behalf of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, member national assembly Maulana Mufti Mahmud blurted ‘Mirzai murtad hein, aur yeh wajab-ul-qatal hein’ (Ahmadis are guilty of apostasy, and they must be killed). Abdul Manan Omar sahib replied that in Islam there is no punishment for apostasy. This reply got attention of then speaker of National Assembly, Sahibzada Farooq Ali sahib and he asked Abdul Manan Omar sahib to expand on his reply. In the discussion that ensued, Abdul Manan Omar sahib asked Mufti Mahmud sahib to support his Fatwa with Holy Quran verse. Mufti Mahmud replied, that there is no verse in Holy Quran that supports this, but Hadith supports this. Abdul Manan sahib asked Mufti sahib to quote that Hadith. Mufti sahib quoted a Hadith. Abdul Manan sahib asked Mufti sahib to please also translate it in Urdu. Mufti sahib translated it into Urdu, ‘Jis nay apna deen tubdeel kia, wooh wajab-ul-qatal hein’ (who so ever changes his religion, must be killed). </p>
<p>At this reply Abdul Manan sahib turned to Ms. Jennifer Musa and addressed her, “Muhtarma, Mufti sahib is scholar of Islam. If you ever get impressed by his speeches on Islam and decide to convert to Islam, then I would advice you to say final good-bye to your family members, because with one hand Mufti sahib will bring you into the fold of Islam and with other hand he will chop your head off”. According to Abdul Manan Omar sahib the whole house laughed. Anyways, discussion continued and finally decision was made that there is no punishment for apostasy in Islam. On Abdul Manan Omar sahib request, Mr. Speaker placed the decision on record of National Assembly.<br />
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Link to an article on Jennifer Musa:<br />
<a href="http://pakistaniat.com/2010/01/12/jennifer-wren-musa/"target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://pakistaniat.com/2010/01/12/jennifer-wren-musa/</a><br />
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice Samdani Commission Report.
 
In the aftermath of incident that took place on Rabwah Railway Station, in 1974. Punjab Chief Minister Hanif Ramay appointed Justice Samdani of Lahore High Court to hold inquiry. He did and report was submitted to Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. But it was never made public.
 
According to Qadiani jamaat members who had inside information, the operation took place on encouragement by Prime Minister Bhutto. Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa III and IV Mirza Nasir Ahmad and Mirza Tahir Ahmad were friends of Bhutto.
 
My assessment is that it is very much possible Bhutto-Khalifas connection came up during inquiry. And perhaps Bhutto’s encouragement to Khalifas also came to light. And this became reason for keeping Samdani report a secret to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice Samdani Commission Report.<br />
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In the aftermath of incident that took place on Rabwah Railway Station, in 1974. Punjab Chief Minister Hanif Ramay appointed Justice Samdani of Lahore High Court to hold inquiry. He did and report was submitted to Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. But it was never made public.<br />
 <br />
According to Qadiani jamaat members who had inside information, the operation took place on encouragement by Prime Minister Bhutto. Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa III and IV Mirza Nasir Ahmad and Mirza Tahir Ahmad were friends of Bhutto.<br />
 <br />
My assessment is that it is very much possible Bhutto-Khalifas connection came up during inquiry. And perhaps Bhutto’s encouragement to Khalifas also came to light. And this became reason for keeping Samdani report a secret to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible that after reading ‘Letter to Madam Speaker of Pakistan’ on PTH blog (link provided by Usman), some readers get interested to check this thread. To help them better understand LAM point of view I am posting links to booklets distributed by LAM to Pakistani Parliamentarians in 1974.
 
1) &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/sadruddin/nationalassemblypakistan/nationalassemblypakistan.shtml&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Assembly Pakistan kee Special Committee ka Roobaroo Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore ka Wazahati Bayan:&lt;/a&gt; by Maulana Sadr-ud-Din
 
2) &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/aaeenpakistanmusalmaanfirqa/aaeenpakistanmusalmaanfirqa.shtml&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aaeen-e-Pakistan aur Musalmaan Firqa Ahmadiyya:&lt;/a&gt; by Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore
 
3) &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/qaumeeassemblykhidmut/qaumeeassemblykhidmut.shtml&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Qaumee Assembly kee Khidmut Mein:&lt;/a&gt; by Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that after reading ‘Letter to Madam Speaker of Pakistan’ on PTH blog (link provided by Usman), some readers get interested to check this thread. To help them better understand LAM point of view I am posting links to booklets distributed by LAM to Pakistani Parliamentarians in 1974.<br />
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1) <a href="http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/sadruddin/nationalassemblypakistan/nationalassemblypakistan.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">National Assembly Pakistan kee Special Committee ka Roobaroo Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore ka Wazahati Bayan:</a> by Maulana Sadr-ud-Din<br />
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2) <a href="http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/aaeenpakistanmusalmaanfirqa/aaeenpakistanmusalmaanfirqa.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aaeen-e-Pakistan aur Musalmaan Firqa Ahmadiyya:</a> by Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore<br />
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3) <a href="http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/qaumeeassemblykhidmut/qaumeeassemblykhidmut.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Qaumee Assembly kee Khidmut Mein:</a> by Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore</p>
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		<title>By: Usman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/attention-madam-speaker-of-the-national-assembly-of-pakistan/#comment-26064&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An interesting letter on this topic&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Usman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking about the many amendments to the constitution of Pakistan (beginning hours after it was promulgated) that effectively changed the original character of the document to suit various vested interests, I am reminded of the book &lt;em&gt;Animal Farm &lt;/em&gt;by George Orwell.  Although the book was a politcal satire on communism it also fits the Pakistani situation.  In the book (it has been a long time so feel free to correct me if I get some point wrong) the pigs declare (after seizing control of the farm) that &quot;All animal are equal&quot;.  But then they realise that this declaration could be a problem for them so they quickly introduce the amendment &quot;but some are more equal than others&quot;!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking about the many amendments to the constitution of Pakistan (beginning hours after it was promulgated) that effectively changed the original character of the document to suit various vested interests, I am reminded of the book <em>Animal Farm </em>by George Orwell.  Although the book was a politcal satire on communism it also fits the Pakistani situation.  In the book (it has been a long time so feel free to correct me if I get some point wrong) the pigs declare (after seizing control of the farm) that &#8220;All animal are equal&#8221;.  But then they realise that this declaration could be a problem for them so they quickly introduce the amendment &#8220;but some are more equal than others&#8221;!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>ikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowadays politics is synonymous with misrepresentation and even underhandedness, whereas Muhammad PBUH defined politics as strategy. For a case in point is the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, which proved that strategy needs patience, fairness, honesty of purpose, good will for all parties and the foresight of a statesman, while chicanery is for hypocrites. To see a living example of the latter one does not have to look farther than the parliament of Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowadays politics is synonymous with misrepresentation and even underhandedness, whereas Muhammad PBUH defined politics as strategy. For a case in point is the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, which proved that strategy needs patience, fairness, honesty of purpose, good will for all parties and the foresight of a statesman, while chicanery is for hypocrites. To see a living example of the latter one does not have to look farther than the parliament of Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Usman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most politicians in the world would fail this test; belonging to a banana (or mango!) republic or not. That is why personal spiritual development is so important, as that automatically brings Islam into politics and government. Purely secular democracies are on one extreme and the Mullahs on the other. In both cases the results are similar.  In Pakistan the problem is compounded due to poor governance; while in the west with good governance the problem is mitigated but not solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most politicians in the world would fail this test; belonging to a banana (or mango!) republic or not. That is why personal spiritual development is so important, as that automatically brings Islam into politics and government. Purely secular democracies are on one extreme and the Mullahs on the other. In both cases the results are similar.  In Pakistan the problem is compounded due to poor governance; while in the west with good governance the problem is mitigated but not solved.</p>
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		<title>By: ikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>ikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Usman – drew attention to 62(f) under &lt;strong&gt;Qualifications for membership of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)&lt;/strong&gt; i.e. “he is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen”

Being a members of parliament, each member of the Senate committee is already “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen,” but then being knight-hooded as “Uloo ka Pathas” is also true for what they are doing.

Essentially then, in Pakistan being “Uloo ka Pathas” is equivalent to being “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen” and not just being a &quot;fool.&quot; That is a tell-tale sign of a Banana Republic.

I wonder if anyone in Islamic history including Muhammad PBUH ever made a claim to be “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen.” I cringe on the very thought that each member of the parliament is carrying such a certification and morally living with it.

If the said committee is termed “Uloo ka Pathas” for keeping the above clause in the Constitution, imagine what they might be called by Mullahs for &lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;putting in the following &lt;em&gt;Islamic &lt;/em&gt;clauses:

62 (i): he is not a hypocrite;

62(j): he is not ignorant;

62(k): he eats with his right hand;

62(l): he washes with his left hand;

62(m): he does not back-bite;

62(n): he can demonstrate his belief in jinns;

62(o): he is afraid only of Allah, and plugs his ears at the sound of music;

62(p): he has always knocked before entering another’s home;

62(q): he holds current certification on regular alms giving;

62(r): he has never hidden the truth;

62 (s): he does not indulge in pleasure and enjoyment of life to forget his duty to Allah;

62 (t): he does not believe or repeat rumours against chaste believing women;

62(u): he is neither extravagant nor parsimonious;

62(v): he eats of the good things, but not inordinately (over-eating); and

62 (w): he is moderate in his volume of voice (the most hateful of voices is the braying of asses).

The above clauses excerpted from: &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.dawn.com/2010/01/22/article-62zzz/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Article 62(zzz)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Usman – drew attention to 62(f) under <strong>Qualifications for membership of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)</strong> i.e. “he is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen”</p>
<p>Being a members of parliament, each member of the Senate committee is already “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen,” but then being knight-hooded as “Uloo ka Pathas” is also true for what they are doing.</p>
<p>Essentially then, in Pakistan being “Uloo ka Pathas” is equivalent to being “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen” and not just being a &#8220;fool.&#8221; That is a tell-tale sign of a Banana Republic.</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone in Islamic history including Muhammad PBUH ever made a claim to be “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen.” I cringe on the very thought that each member of the parliament is carrying such a certification and morally living with it.</p>
<p>If the said committee is termed “Uloo ka Pathas” for keeping the above clause in the Constitution, imagine what they might be called by Mullahs for <strong>not </strong>putting in the following <em>Islamic </em>clauses:</p>
<p>62 (i): he is not a hypocrite;</p>
<p>62(j): he is not ignorant;</p>
<p>62(k): he eats with his right hand;</p>
<p>62(l): he washes with his left hand;</p>
<p>62(m): he does not back-bite;</p>
<p>62(n): he can demonstrate his belief in jinns;</p>
<p>62(o): he is afraid only of Allah, and plugs his ears at the sound of music;</p>
<p>62(p): he has always knocked before entering another’s home;</p>
<p>62(q): he holds current certification on regular alms giving;</p>
<p>62(r): he has never hidden the truth;</p>
<p>62 (s): he does not indulge in pleasure and enjoyment of life to forget his duty to Allah;</p>
<p>62 (t): he does not believe or repeat rumours against chaste believing women;</p>
<p>62(u): he is neither extravagant nor parsimonious;</p>
<p>62(v): he eats of the good things, but not inordinately (over-eating); and</p>
<p>62 (w): he is moderate in his volume of voice (the most hateful of voices is the braying of asses).</p>
<p>The above clauses excerpted from: <a href="http://blog.dawn.com/2010/01/22/article-62zzz/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Article 62(zzz)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Usman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cowasjees article posted by Ikram

Apparently some Parlimentarians recently told the press that even if the amendments to the constitution are reverted, the Islamic ones would not be changed.   A prominent human rights lawyer told the media that the said Parlimentarians are &quot;Uloo ka Pathas&quot; for saying this!  I do not know an appropriate translation for Ulloo ka Patha so apologies to Non-Urdu speakers.

Here is the link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26514&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26514&lt;/a&gt;

It is to do with a certain article 62-f of the constitution.

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Note by Blog Admin:&lt;/em&gt; &quot;Uloo ka Pathas&quot; = fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cowasjees article posted by Ikram</p>
<p>Apparently some Parlimentarians recently told the press that even if the amendments to the constitution are reverted, the Islamic ones would not be changed.   A prominent human rights lawyer told the media that the said Parlimentarians are &#8220;Uloo ka Pathas&#8221; for saying this!  I do not know an appropriate translation for Ulloo ka Patha so apologies to Non-Urdu speakers.</p>
<p>Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26514" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26514</a></p>
<p>It is to do with a certain article 62-f of the constitution.</p>
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<p><em>Note by Blog Admin:</em> &#8220;Uloo ka Pathas&#8221; = fools.</p>
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		<title>By: ikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>ikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Towards infamy - By Ardeshir Cowasjee &lt;/strong&gt;

The constitution as it has evolved, with all its wicked amendments (starting with the second) has brought luck and joy to no man who has used it to gain or perpetuate power, nor to the nation in whose name it was made.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/18-towards-infamy-am-04&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Towards infamy &#8211; By Ardeshir Cowasjee </strong></p>
<p>The constitution as it has evolved, with all its wicked amendments (starting with the second) has brought luck and joy to no man who has used it to gain or perpetuate power, nor to the nation in whose name it was made.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/18-towards-infamy-am-04" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Read&#8230;</a></p>
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