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April 10th, 2010

Contemporaries of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Submitted by Rashid.


On website http://www.mutazila.com/ short introduction and works of contemporaries of HMGA are made available. References to some of these gentlemen are available in HMGA writings and LAM literature. Such as:

Sir Syed (Sayyid) Ahmad Khan [1817-1898]
Cheragh Ali (Chiragh Ali) [1844-1895]
Abdullah Chakralawi (Chakralvi) [d.1930]
Akbar Shah Khan Najeebabadi [d.] (He was member of LAM and authored Maulana Noor Ud Din biography. He also authored famous Tarikh e Islam (History of Islam) in 3 volumes).

This website home page says:

Who listen [closely] to all that is said, and follow the best of it: [for] it is they whom God has graced with His guidance, and it is they who are [truly] endowed with insight! Quran 39:18

With this in mind we provide here extensive resources so that one can go directly to the original source and verify for oneself matters and issues related to Islam rather than relying on second or third hand information or simply taking hearsay for the original as is common with most Muslims and even with some scholars. No one person, no matter how knowledgeable in Islam and no matter how popular among Muslims including past Imams, can be considered as the final authority on Islam The final authority on Islam must rest with the Quran and Quran alone.

This website does not promote one or the other view of Islam. It is purely meant for scholarly work. Whatever label (Modernist, Rationalist, Quran-only, Reformist, Anti-Hadith, Mutazila…) was attached in the past against one or the other group, it is important to study their writings and their sources and only then one should make independent judgment about them and about their work. Searching for resources sometimes becomes a hindrance in the search for truth. The resources provided here, it is hoped, will help ease that hindrance somewhat for those who are striving for the truth. ”

Despite this website’s great motivation described in above paragraphs, it has missed presenting works of Islamic scholars belonging to LAM, who were praised by Islamic Scholars this website promotes.

Anyways, website is good source to find books such as ‘Tafsir ul Quran’ by Sir Syed Ahmad Khan; and Musaddas by Khawaja Altaf Hussain Hali.
http://www.mutazila.com/ba/ba.htm

11 Responses to “Contemporaries of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad”

  1. Milk Contents in Pakistan
     
    This forum is not for such kind of post, but I cannot resist informing readers.

    Pakistan private TV channel, Dunya TV show Hasb-e-Haal, April 10, 2010.

    I have one comment: Pakistani nation in hope of reward of “Streams of Milk” in paradise, in “service of Islam” since 1974, is tasting that “reward” in this earthy life. Thank God I live in a Dajjali country.
    Please watch from 8 minutes. May be you also like to see video clips in the beginning.

    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/04/10/hasb-e-haal-10-april-2010/
     


  2. This link on the Mutazila site is basically a summary of what Dr. Shabbir has written and posted on his site distributed among various books/articles and to introduction of his translation of Quran, especially the critique of previous Muslim theological works and Persian and Zoroastrian influence via Abbasid court.
     
    Do not be surprised if you see various Arabic dictionaries including the one by Ghulam Ahmed Parwez. The one dictionary obviously missing is by Abdul Mannan Omar . If I recall correctly, late Mannan sahib significantly disagreed by the former’s grasp of Arabic. Dr. Shabbir belongs to same school of thought founded by Ghulam Ahmed Parwez.
     
    I have no problem with Dr. Shabbir’s (and late Parwez sahib) point of view about the theological sources of Islam, where he quite bluntly expunges the superfluous ideas from Islamic thought, but in the process he restricts Islam to pre-determined rigid moral laws alone.  In my view, what he misses is that there is an active and interactive God out there who could be sought by man in an almost a child-parent relationship and that there is room for spiritual connection of man and God.
     
    With the above background thought, my impression is that Mutazila and Ourbeacon are one and the same or intersect on majority of their scope, yet both combined are sub-set of AAIIL.
     
    As a rule, a subset cannot define its super set e.g. scientific laws are subset of Allah’s Laws, hence science alone is an inadequate medium to prove God.  Therefore, I am not surprised that Mutazila totally missed out on AAIIL despite claiming to be “This website does not promote one or the other view of Islam. It is purely meant for scholarly work. Whatever label (Modernist, Rationalist, Quran-only, Reformist, Anti-Hadith, Mutazila…) was attached in the past against one or the other group, it is important to study their writings and their sources and only then one should make independent judgment about them and about their work.”


  3. The Mutazila website is also missing Dictionary of Holy Quran by Malik Ghulam Farid sahib. Published in 2006 by Qadiani Jamaat. Would take opportunity to mention few interesting facts:
    1)      Malik Ghulam Farid sahib NEVER accepted Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad as “Musleh Maood”.
    2)      Qadiani Jamaat published this dictionary AFTER publication of Dictionary by Abdul Manan Omar sahib. (Those who know about Qadiani leadership thought pattern could figure this out).
    3)      Malik sahib has done English translation of Holy Quran.
    4)      Malik sahib’s son is married to Abdul Manan sahib’s daughter.
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/dictionary/dictionary_quran.pdf
     


  4. I am not familiar with Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad so I looked for information about him. Somehow I was confused on the wikipedia article, which indicated that he declared that Isa survived crucifixion and later died a natural death.
    Anyway, I have to agree that the final authority on Islam must rest with the Quran and Quran alone.


  5. It seems that Lahoris are arguing with each other about the death of Osama.

    http://my.news.yahoo.com/lahore-ahmadiyya-islamic-societys-statement-osama-bin-laden-071229865.html


  6. Killing of Osama bin Laden was the EASIEST part for US in her war against terror. The most difficult challenge for US administrations, including current and future ones, is to INTROSPECT and figure out why terrorists like OBL are born. And what can prevent from more OBL to be born in future.  Is it because of foreign policies of US administrations that rally people behind terrorists such as OBL?
     
    At the end of WWII, every Muslim country, with exception of Afghanistan was European colony. So, when these Muslim countries won their freedom, they all became natural ally of USA. As USA herself was a European colony. Unfortunately, with in couple of decades after WWII these buddies of USA started hating their friend and started getting more close to former bad guys i.e. European countries. Obviously, Muslim countries have never been in a position to make their foreign policies that distanced them from USA. It was US foreign polices that turned Muslim populations in Muslim countries to leave relationship of friendship and adopt hatred for USA. Here are few examples:

    1-     Unfair support of US for Israel since 1948.
    2-     US organized overthrow of legitimate elected national government of Dr. Mussaddaq, Prime Minister of Iran, and then public hanging of his cabinet in 1953.
    3-     US support of dictators in Muslim countries since early 1950s.
     
    Please don’t forget it was mistake of USA to support Political-Religious parties in Muslim countries such as Jamaat-I-Islami in Pakistan etc to prepare Muslim populations to fight growing communist influence. This US support was from early 1950s in all of the Muslim countries. Now the same forces have turned against USA.
     
    A good thing out of this war on terror will come out. So far, Islam is VICTIM and its followers among Muslims and its opponents among Jews, Christians, and Hindus are PERPETRATORS. Muslims misrepresent Islam and opponents use those misrepresentations to attack on Islam. With fight between these groups, they both are becoming weak. One is militarily i.e. Muslims, and other ethically and economically i.e. opponents. As a result moderate Muslims who present Islam as rational, tolerant, peaceful, inspiring, international and non-sectarian will emerge and Islam will win in the end. InshAllah. I hold belief that followers and opponents of Islam in the end will accept interpretations of Islam, as presented by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. InshAllah.


  7. In my above post I talked about good outcome of current war on terror. I pointed that Islam which is Victim will be the winner at the end. I also wrote: I hold belief that followers and opponents of Islam in the end will accept interpretations of Islam, as presented by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. InshAllah.
     
    Today, I came across a video, which supports what I am saying.
    TEDx talk:
    Lesley Hazleton: On reading the Koran
    http://www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran.html
     
    Enjoy watching, and thank Allah for good days of Islam that lie ahead.
     


  8. The Ahrar Group claims that Akbar Shah Khan left LAM? Is this true? I saw his wikipedia page and came across this.


  9. Saad sahib, I read through the same source which you mention that he first left your Jamaat after accepting Mirza Mahmud Ahmad. Is that true?

    It is clear from his book how enamoured he was of Hazrat Maulana Nur-ud-Din till the end of the Maulana’s life. If he had any doubts about Ahmadiyyat as such he could not have maintained such a close connection till the death of the Maulana.


    According to the Wikipedia article referred to by Saad sahib, “After being associated with the Lahori group for sometime, he reverted back to Sunni Islam. In 1916, Najibabadi started a monthly journal entitled Ibrat,…”

    It is surprising then that he announced the proposal for starting this journal in Paigham Sulh, 16 November 1915, and the idea was supported by the Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamaat and Maulana Muhammad Ali, and they appealed for financial support for his magazine.

    At this link you can read pages 1 and 2 of that issue of Paigham Sulh.


  10. He defnitley left the main Jama'at. But I certainly dont think he left the Lahore Jama'at, thats why I am asking. Being part of the Lahore Jama'at allows for more publicity among sunnis etc

    But my question was did he have relations with the Lahori Jama'at post 1927. As thats the last ref where we can indicates he was an Ahmadi as Musleh Maud (ra) only says he broke his pledge.

    My question is what is the Lahori Jama'at position on him after 1927? If remained an Ahmadi in any sense then I think it is best remove the Ahrar ref from wikipwdia as it is not a reliable anyway. Thats why I am asking.


  11. I don't actually know the answer to the question whether he continued in any relationship with our Jamaat. Sorry.

    Interestingly, my maternal grandfather, Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi once accompanied him on a missionary tour in 1915 to combat the Arya Samaj on behalf of Islam. See this link.

    (If your question had arisen 45 years ago, I could have asked the Maulana who was alive and I was in touch with him!)

    Regarding the Wikipedia article, you can justifiably and strongly complain about it on grounds of religious bias because it says that he changed religion from Islam to Ahmadiyya (and then back again). Wikipedia cannot allow a disputed issue to be stated as a fact, that Ahmadiyya is a different religion from Islam.