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June 26th, 2010

Hadith about kufr of calling a Muslim kafir

I quote below in full a post from Islamic Knight (may be it’s from Bashir, the style is exactly the same) on the reference he has been asking me for.

Quote.

I spent an entire day searching for the reference point in terms of a statment by MGAQ. MGAQ stated over and over again that here was a hadith in which the HP (saw) said that if a muslim calls another muslim (who is really a good muslim) a Kafir, then the KUFR reverts to the reciter.

Muhammad Ali didnt reference this in his book “A refutation of calling a believer a Kafir”.

Muhammad Ali gives an entire page of references that are similiar, but he never found the reference that MGAq referred to.

here is where ALI refers to the statements:

http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/mali/heresyislam/heresyislam.pdf

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Zahid Aziz, you appear to have purposely not answered my question because you knew that the reference in question was bogus. It just doesnt exist. That appears to be the reason why you didnt answer. Did i beat the best scholar from the LAM? And that was on accident…i actually really had never looked into this reference and statement by MGAQ.

FYI: Its a figure of speech. If a muslim steals he committed KUFR, it doesnt actually mean that he was a kafir for that time period. Its just a figure of speech. And i figured that out al on my own.

unquote.

If I can’t answer this question, why have I published his e-mail!

Just read his last paragraph and laugh at his claim. Earlier he was ridiculing us for talking about “first type of kafir” and “seocnd type of kafir”, and now he has figured it out “on my own”. And it’s his own discovery, even though he read it in the above cited book by Maulana Muhammad Ali.

Mr Islamic Knight, Hazrat Mirza sahib asked his opponents to go to their Ulama and ask them if they deny holding the belief that kufr reflects back on a Muslim who calls another as kafir. The reference isn’t given by Hazrat Mirza sahib, or by Maulana Muhammad Ali in this particular book, because it is so widely accepted by Muslim ulama.

Therefore please read the article by Maulana Maudoodi at this link.

4 Responses to “Hadith about kufr of calling a Muslim kafir”

  1. June 26th, 2010 at 6:13 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    In another of his many e-mails to me, Islamic Knight wrote:

    “All the ahmadiyya awareness people on the internet know me very well. They all love me for the work that I have done. I attend a local mosque in Dallas and the muslims love me more than ahy ahmadis could ever do so. You see, ahmadis support the white man, whereas muslims support Islam–there is a difference.”

    Fine. I have read quite a lot about the assassination of President Kennedy and remember the event. I hope I can come to Dallas and be shown around the grassy knoll, book depository, by Islamic Knight.


  2. June 27th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Islamic Knight has replied to say:

    “The reference never existed, MGAQ was just boasting… All you had to say was that it didnt exist.  But you already knew that it didnt exist.  You were just playing games.”

    It does exist. I have given the link to Maudoodi’s article.

    I agree that I was playing games, and that is because you are playing games. If your question had been just for seeking information I would have gladly given a direct answer. But you would try to find a way of attacking the answer rather than accepting it. So I wanted you to discover the answer from other quarters.

    The more you repeat your allegation, the more ridiculous you look, which suits me fine.


  3. June 30th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    From islamicknight:

    MGAQ and ALI were caught red-handed. This reference never existed. MGAQ was boasting as usual. He probably had a migraine headache the day he spewed this.

    I solved the case nonetheless. These types of statements are only figures of speech. MGAQ lied and made this into a real statement.

    Yet, the lahoris happily pray behind muslims in mecca who call MGAQ a fornicator and huckster. How ironic is that? And as soon as the muslims figured out as to who the ahmadis were…you nerds got booted outtta Woking. Thats funny!


  4. July 1st, 2010 at 10:19 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    So what do you think of Maudoodi who quoted those hadith in the article whose link I gave above?

    As to Woking Mosque, it was under a Trust of non-Ahmadi Muslims right from the beginning in 1913 when it was declared a mosque in court. They appointed Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din as Imam.
    So Syed Ameer Ali, famous Muslim scholar and trustee, didn’t know what Ahmadis were! All the time that LAM members ran the mission, all the mosque trustees were non-Ahmadis, under whose agreement the appointed Imam was LAM missionary, LAM literature was distributed from Woking. Yet no one “figured out as to who Ahmadis were” for 55 years!


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