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August 9th, 2010

Correspondence with Orya Maqbool Jan

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.


Orya Maqbool Jan is a retired Pakistani bureaucrat. He writes columns in Pakistani Urdu newspapers, and comments in Pakistani political TV talk shows. Recently he has written columns in regard to natural calamities and law and order situation in Pakistan. I had email correspondence with him.
(Email: orya_m@yahoo.com)
Link to his columns: http://www.pkcolumns.com/category/columns/orya-maqbool-jan/
Refer to his column: ‘Allah Ko Haya Ati Hay by Orya Maqbool Jan’ published on 31 July, 2010.

Email 1:
Respected Orya Maqbool Jan sahib:
Aslam Alikum,

I have been reading your recent columns regarding calamities both natural and from fellow citizens in Pakistan. Being a physician, we always look for more than one cause of abdominal pain experienced by a patient.

Before I go further, I want to make two points:

1- I’m a Muslim and believe Rasul Allah SAWS was THE LAST messenger of Allah SWT.
2- Allah SWT is NOT relative of Pakistani Muslims and Pakistani non-Muslims.

Before I ask you a question, I request you to read the few pages of following booklet by clicking on following link. Thanks.

‘National Assembly Pakistan kee Special Committee ka Roobaroo Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-e-Islam Lahore ka Wazahati Bayan:
by Maulana Sadr-ud-Din’

Question:
After reading above booklet, do you think Allah SWT will reward any nation with medals, prizes and blessing which declares reciters of Kalima-Shahada, like those who wrote above booklet, as Kafir?

I wish and pray may Allah SWT keep Pakistan intact in its current geographical boundaries and make it a peaceful, tolerant and prosperous country. Ameen. But I am worried; Pakistan may not remain in its current geographical boundaries. If Pakistan fragments into pieces, its 1973 and along with it its 2nd constitutional amendment will not remain intact. Allah SWT has already given Pakistanis over 35 years to correct their wrong action. We don’t know how much more grace period will be given. Warnings and divine notices, in form of calamities, are already being given for quite some time now.

I will appreciate if you could acknowledge my email. Thanks.
Reply 1:
Dear Rashid Jahangiri sb,

May I ask you one question. What you. consider about those muslims who recite Kalima wether Hanfai or jaffari or follower of other Fiqah but dont believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claiming as Masih e Moued. Please answer with refence of books or literature of your Jamat not your personal belief.

sincerly

ORYA

Email2:
Respected Orya Maqbool sahib:
Aslam Alikum,
Thank you very much for replying to my email. I take it as an honor. Thanks once again.

The link to booklet that Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement [LAM] distributed among Pakistan National Assembly members answers your question. Link was provided in my previous email to you.

Anyways, I will provide you links that specifically answers your question. I will also provide you links to Court cases where LAM had to face Muslim-Ulema, in impartial courts and in front of impartial judges. There you will see LAM with blessings of Allah SWT was declared Muslims, unlike in Pakistan NA in 1974. One of the most famous South African Court case was published in Pakistani Law Journal ‘Pakistan Supreme Court Cases, March 1986’ issue.
[I provided links to different LAM articles and books].

6 Responses to “Correspondence with Orya Maqbool Jan”

  1. August 9th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    This reference is relevant to this issue.


  2. Imran Khan’s comments on Pakistan’s 1974 Constitutional ammendment.
    You Tube video:

    See this link

    A few years ago at my nephew’s residence in lower Manhattan, NY, Imran Khan said that he thinks the 2nd ammendment is absolutely wrong, but it needs all political parties to work together to repeal it, otherwise it will be a political suicide for any one political party and any politician.


  3. MGA and his Khalifa declare non Ahmadi as kafir ( I have read books downloaded from official website of Ahmadia)

    so why it is something a big deal if non Ahmadi declare you as kafir?


  4. Dear Reader, your point would be valid if we declared other Muslims as kafir. We don't. Nor did Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. In fact, he was declared kafir by others first, and they continued this for many years despite his repeated announcements that he held the beliefs of a Muslim. Please see his writing that I referred to in my earlier comment just above (link here again).

    Please refer to the following hadith in Bukhari which I quote from the well known English translation available online:

    Volume 8, Book 73, Number 71:

    Narrated Abu Dhar:

    That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."

    That is all that Hazrat Mirza sahib said to those who called him kafir.

    You may also like to express your opinion on why the Holy Prophet (saw) has called some Muslims as kafir. Here are some chapter headings in Sahih Muslim in its book of 'Faith':

    [30] – chapter: abusing a muslim is an outrage and fighting against him is unbelief
    [31] – chapter: don't become unbelievers after me by striking the necks of one another
    [36] – chapter: diminution of iman by failing in submission and the use of the word" kufr" for things besides unbelief of allaah, for example ungratefulness and ingratitude
    [37] – chapter: application of the word" kufr" to one who neglects prayer


  5. You can also find Orya Maqbool Jan's Columns at OryaMaqboolJan.com


  6. October 25th, 2017 at 6:39 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    Orya Maqbool Jan accepts that Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement people i.e. Lahori-Ahmadi believe Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib as Mujaddid, although he gives interpertation to malign them. Watch following you tube video at 4 minutes:

    Qadianis Played A Big Game With Muslims | Harf E raz | Neo news

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEwzSb5LX8


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