Compliment and Question for Qadiani Jamaat
Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri
The Qadiani Jamaat has done efforts to clear the honor of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWS, by answering allegations made on his blessed character, policies and decisions. Qadiani Jamaat has answered these allegations made by Jew, Christian, and Hindu opponents of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWS. Muslims must appreciate and commend them.
Similarly, Qadiani Jamaat has done efforts to clear the honor of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (HMGA) sahib, the Mujaddid of 14th Islamic Century, by answering allegations made on his blessed character, policies and decisions. Although material providing allegations to opponents of HMGA was given by certain Qadiani Jamaat authors, who are respected elders of Qadianis, E.g. in original edition of “Seeratul-Mahdi” authored by Mirza Bashir Ahmad, (the younger brother of Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad) revered as “Qamar-ul-Anbiyya” (moon of prophets) by Qadiani Jamaat. Similarly, elder of Qadianis Mir Nasir Nawab (maternal grand father of QK2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad), in his biography ‘Hayat-e-Nasir’ (Life of Nasir) says that HMGA was inflicted with Cholera (Haiza) and passed away as a result of it.
Members of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement (LAM) believe that all these allegations on pious character of HMGA are FALSE. Still LAM members appreciate Qadiani Jamaat for producing programs on their jamaat TV and YouTube videos to answer the allegations of HMGA opponents.
Unlike above where it was the opponents who alleged, in case of QK2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, his own STAUNCH, followers who had pledged their lives in service of Qadiani Khalifas and Qadiani Jamaat (Waqaf-e-Zindghi) made allegations of severest form on personal character, polices, decisions, actions, and finances of QK2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad. These allegations are far worse than those made by opponents in above two cases. Still Qadiani Jamaat friends NEVER even try to answer them. Rather they say, “we will only discuss beliefs and status of HMGA and QK2”. It is mind boggling that Qadiani Jamaat friends don’t hesitate in defending honor of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWS and HMGA, but they don’t even take initiative to answer allegations made on QK2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, by his own former followers, friends and elders of Qadiani Jamaat.
My question to Qadiani Jamaat friends:
Why you do not defend honor of your Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad?
From ikram:
“Elegant model” of Divine origins of Prophets before and Mujaddids now can be replicated in the persons of Muhammad PBUH and HMGA respectively. But it is the “fudge factor” of Khalifas 2 onwards that demolishes the “elegance” of the original model. In that sense Qadiani Khalifas 2 onwards and their followers are no different than some of the scientists in the analysis and critique of Stephen Hawking in his new book “The Grand Design.”
Excerpt – Elegance refers to the form of a theory, but it is closely related to a lack of adjustable elements, since a theory jammed with fudge factors is not very elegant. To paraphrase Einstein, a theory should be as simple as possible, but not simpler…scientists are always impressed when new and stunning predictions prove correct. On the other hand, when a model is found lacking, people still often don’t abandon the model but instead attempt to save it through modifications. Although physicists are indeed tenacious in their attempts to rescue theories they admire, the tendency to modify a theory fades to the degree that the alterations become artificial or cumbersome, and therefore “inelegant.”
Read the full article – link.
From Lutf:
Thank you for appreciating the good efforts made by the Jamaat to defend the honour of Holy Prophet (saw) and the Promised Messiah (as). As an Ahmadi, I admire the services rendered by LAM elders and hold them in high esteem.
But, I am disappointed when you blame seeratul Mahdi or Hayat e Nasir as the source of many allegations. You will find that these two books may have been mentioned on many websites as containing a lot of “sensational” finds, but in effect, none of these (including the cholera one) are simply manufactured and stretched out allegations that can be refuted without a problem. We do not consider any books written by Ahmadiyya scholars other than Promised Messiah (as) or the Khulafa to be the official documents. People can make mistakes, errors of judgement or can miscommunicate something through the chain of narrators etc and these can not be held against the Jamaat.
As for the vile allegations against the Khalifatul Masih 2 (ra), I think not responding to such lies is the best response. I have read these allegations and have also read the street literature produced by the likes of mateen khalid… and honestly speaking, I doubt the sanity of anyone who gives any value to such fallacies.
Proof of truth is in God’s Help. If khilafat was in the hands of a sinner, the jamaat should have dissipated during that time or soon after. But we see the opposite has happened, and you yourself have acknowledged that Jamaat is defending Islam better than ever these days.
From Rashid:
Lutf:
You wrote:
“Proof of truth is in God’s Help. If khilafat was in the hands of a sinner, the jamaat should have dissipated during that time or soon after.”
If this is your criterion then:
The Catholic Papal system, so much praised by M. Mahmud Ahmad in 1956, is led
by sinners for centuries, and seems stronger than ever!
Your: “But, I am disappointed when you blame seeratul Mahdi or Hayat e Nasir as the source of many allegations. You will find that these two books may have been mentioned on many websites as containing a lot of “sensational” finds, but in effect, none of these (including the cholera one) are simply manufactured and stretched out allegations that can be refuted without a problem.”
Mine: Just because you are denying, or unaware does not mean no such false stories were written by your “Qamar-ul-Anbiyya” ORIGINAL-FIRST edition of “Seeratul-Mahdi”. Followers of HMGA, and themselves a revered people have themselves read it and I have heard directly from the lips of some one who has read the ORIGINAL-FIRST edition of “Seeratul-Mahdi”. Your qadiani jamaat after the Original-First edition AGAIN published another edition and printed “first-edition” on it.
Do you also deny acknowledgement of MISS RUFO in Qadian in your Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad’s Friday sermon? Do you also deny QK2 reading a “letter from Paighami” (in a Friday sermon) accusing character of HMGA (nauzubilah) and not answering it, and rather inculcating in his followers mind that it’s okay to accept his (QK2) questionable character because (nauzubilah) HMGA also had such character?
Your: “We do not consider any books written by Ahmadiyya scholars other than Promised Messiah (as) or the Khulafa to be the official documents. People can make mistakes, errors of judgement or can miscommunicate something through the chain of narrators etc and these can not be held against the Jamaat.”
Mine: I’m glad to read your answer. With this trend in your qadiani jamaat, InshAllah, one day you will also write that you do not consider any books not written by HMGA to be the official documents. InshAllah, you will also trash your QK2 and his successor Khalifas. Do you know some information regarding Mirza Tahir Ahmad escape from Pakistan (e.g. mention of suggestion of French Ambassador) in first-edition of QK4 book “Man of God” has been taken out in subsequent editions? If you expect opponents to accept your position that anything not authored by your Qadiani Khalifas should not be taken as “official” position of your jamaat then why you expect from the same opponents to accept your jamaat efforts and answers regarding HMGA, and your Qadiani Khalifas, especially when you all Qadianis WRITE DISCLAIMER that what ever you people say in video or print is NOT your jamaat official answer/ stand? And most of all why your jamaat does NOT appoint an official person to reply to your jamaat critics? Instead you Qadianis keep on arguing with individual LAM members. Person (like Tahir Ijaz and many many others) will spend months arguing with Dr. Zahid Aziz but there will be no official representative of your jamaat to settle the issue. Similarly, my nephew (son of my cousin) Kashif Jahangiri, C.A., in Dublin, Ireland (a staunch follower of QK2) will love to discuss with me in private status of HMGA and QK2 but will not do so on public forum like this blog, as an official representative of Qadiani Jamaat.
Your: “As for the vile allegations against the Khalifatul Masih 2 (ra), I think not responding to such lies is the best response. I have read these allegations and have also read the street literature produced by the likes of mateen khalid… and honestly speaking, I doubt the sanity of anyone who gives any value to such fallacies.”
Mine: No dear, allegations were FIRST made by staunch followers of QK2 (Waqaf-e-Zindghi). Mateen Khalid is a CHILD OF YESTERDAY. Dear keep surfing the Internet, and you tube. InshAllah in coming months more HOT STUFF will come out in interviews of those who were victims of QK2. I will post links to youtube video interviews on this blog.
Your: “Proof of truth is in God’s Help. If khilafat was in the hands of a sinner, the jamaat should have dissipated during that time or soon after. But we see the opposite has happened, and you yourself have acknowledged that Jamaat is defending Islam better than ever these days.”
Mine: Your jamaat is in denial when they think no one among them is reading and asking questions regarding character of QK2. Today’s Qadianis are reading books by former staunch follower of QK2 such as Rafiq Tahir sahib author of book ‘Rabwah Ka Rasputin’. This book is especially shared and read from house to house in Rabwah. This book is recent, available in market and most of all written by author who is staunch follower of HMGA and know the difference between HMGA and QK2. Children and brothers of people whose testimonies and stories are published in this book has contacted and shared more information with author. They have encouraged author to write second edition and add more material. The author has been contacted from Pakistan, UK, Germany, Canada, USA, and India.
From Lutf:
Dear sir,
It is a well known phenomenon that narrations, when compiled from many different sournces become tainted with incorrect information because many people do not have the skill to describe a situation as some other more verbally dexterous persons. This is why, Arabs, despite their immaculate memories and grasp of the arabci language have managed to transmit hundreds and thousands of weak ahadith.
Punjabis are not known for transmitting stories and narrations accurately. It takes many centuries in some cultures for facts to become legends. But in Punjab, people create legends within years.
Seeratul Mahdi was compiled in Punjab and may contain many weak narrations. Even the author himself has pointed out to this fact.
I have not seen the first edition, but if there was one, I would like to read it and see what was removed and then will be able to comment on it.
Also, I do not recall reading the reference to the “French Ambassador” in A man of God. Please remind me what it was and what could be the reasons for its removal. I may have a different take on the issue..
Some times facutal errors are spotted and removed from books in subsequent editions. As I said, the only work that should be kept clean for any revisions is the work of Promised Messiah (as) and the books penned by his Khulafa.
I am also aware of Miss Rufo. And I have no problem with it. It all depends on what kind of mind you possess. This also applies for any books you may have enjoyed reading despite the clear signs that such literature is produced by sick minds in all cultures and societies for consumption by a certain class of people. The only difference is that this particular literature is aimed at people revered by Jamaat Ahmadiyya
You may know many Ahmadis, but if you wish to get an official response, you have to contact the offices of the Jamaat. I, or for this matter no other Ahmadi can claim to be an official representative of the Jamaat. Jamaat’s representatives are the Murabbis and Missionaries around the world. Please contact one of them if you need help.
ws,
From Rashid:
For knowledge of our Qadiani Jamaat friend Lutf:
Dear Lutf:
Earlier you wrote:
“I have read these allegations and have also read the street literature produced by the likes of mateen khalid… and honestly speaking,..”
Brother, I don’t give any value to MULLAH Mateen Khalid. He uses profanities for HMGA and Maulana Noor Ud Din. He has NEVER been a follower of HMGA. He has never been a member of Qadiani Jamaat or LAM.
When I say people who accuse Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad (QK2) of worse kind of character, financial, and policy flaws were ALL FOLLOWERS of HMGA and relatives and lived in neighborhood of QK2 in Qadian and/or Rabwah. For your knowledge here are few examples:
1) Miyyan Zahid, brother of Sakina who was wife of Qadiani elder Mirza Abdul Haq (author of ‘Tabain-I-Ahmad’), was VERY CLOSE friend of QK2.
2) Shaikh Abdur Rehman Misri sahib, principal of Ahmadiyya School in Qadian, and ACTING AMEER OF QADIANIS in Qadian whenever QK2 was out of town.
3) Mian Abdul Wahab Omar, his sister was wife of QK2. He was relative and VERY CLOSE friend of QK2.
4) Dr. Abdul Latif. He hosted the grand banquet for QK2, invited the top brass of the society in 1944 at Delhi to celebrate claim of “Musleh Mahud” by QK2. His wife and QK2’s were real sisters.
5) Haqiqqat Passand Party members who were Waqaf-e-Zindghi, and use to feel honor in massaging legs of QK2.
Then you wrote:
“I am also aware of Miss Rufo. And I have no problem with it. It all depends on what kind of mind you possess.” (Bold is mine).
Would your parents allow you to have friendship and spend time in company of a publicly known immoral male?? What if that immoral person is a female, will your parents appreciate you spending time with her?? Will your parents welcome that publicly known immoral female in their home?? If your answer to any of these questions is no, then why don’t you have problem with your QK2 for bring the ITALIAN Miss Rufo into his house and allowing her to spend time with his own self, his wives, his daughters and other members of his house?? Please answer. Thanks.
From ikram:
The above discourse about Khalifa-II and Ms. Rufu reminds me of Gandhi’s “brahmacharya experiments,” which are the topic of the book – “Gandhi: Naked Ambition”
Khalifa-II like Gandhi, being leader in his own rights has one thing in common with the latter:
“It seems that Gandhi lived as he wished, and only when challenged did he turn his own preferences into a cosmic system of rewards and benefits. Like many great men, Gandhi made up the rules as he went along.”
Read the book review and see for yourself how similar were both “Greats” – The Independent.
From Rashid:
@Ikram:
Difference between the two “Greats”.
Gandhi was not a Muslim, so being a Muslim we can not expect him to spend his life like Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWS or being some one who believes HMGA as Mujjaddid, we can not expect Gandhi to keep moral standards of HMGA.
Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad (QK2) claimed to be “Mamur-min-Allah” (appointee of Allah), “Musleh Mahud”, “Ameer-ul-Momineen”, “Khalifa-e-Muslimeen”, “Nishat-e-Sania” of HMGA mission, Leader of Allah’s party (Ilahi-Jamaat), etc
So it is incumbent on every person who is Muslim and especially believes in truthfulness of HMGA to put QK2 to higher test standards of morality.
Moreover I don’t think Gandhi was accused of immorality by women who lived in his Asharam or by his close friends. Where as QK2 was accused of immorality by many women and by his very close friends. Interestingly, Italian Miss Rufo complaint was not immorality, but her complaint was that she was not paid enough for her “services”. According to her, more “work” was taken from her than initially told and not compensated adequately.