Sultani sahib should be grateful to AAIIL for rescuing him from the wrong beliefs he entertained as a member and religious instructor of the Qadiani Jamaat. It seems strange for him to call his rescuers an unblessed and false Jamaat, when without their decades-long work he would have remained in the “unblessed and false” Qadiani Jamaat.

He is like a man who was swimming in a dangerous sea, cheered on by his fellow swimmers, and ignoring the published warnings of the coastguard. He then comes across the life-line thrown by the coastguard and is rescued from the deadly waters. What does he do when he comes out? He disqualifies the coastguard as incompetent in their job, starts a school to teach sea rescue, and invites the same coastguard to work under his leadership.

1-MS in his post on July 6, 2012 has provided link to Nasir Ahmad Sultani (NAS) speech on July 6, 2012. In his speech NAS has made an effort to create doubt about character of ladies and other relatives of my and Dr. Zahid Aziz sahib families by virtue of them living in England and USA. NAS has made an effort to create doubt about my family because I asked him to produce some prominent men among followers of Mirza Mahmud Ahmad (QK2) who could testify on his (NAS) character the way Maulavi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi testified on character of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib (HMGA). NAS made an effort to create doubt about family of Dr. Zahid Aziz sahib, because as a blog moderator he did not stop my post. (Ref: NAS speech July 6, 2012 at 0:12:15).
Many QK2 followers from early days of his headship of Qadiani cult started accusing him (QK2) of immoral personal character openly in public. Prominent among them were Mubailaih Group Miyan Zahid family, Shaikh Abdur Rehman Misri sahib group Fakhar ud Din Multani, and Haqiqat Passand Party Professor Chaudhry Ghulam Rasool, Malik Aziz ur Rehman, Saleh Noor, Chaudhry Abdul Hameed (aka Abdul Hameed Daada).  As words of these accusers reached ears of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement elders and members, they started paying attention. To silence these companions of HMGA, before they could lend their support to the accusers of QK2, as a preventive measure QK2 started baselessly attacking ladies of Hazrat Maulan Muhammad Ali sahib family in vague language. NAS has proven himself worse than QK2. Nobody has made personal attack on NAS. It is only demanded from him to produce some Muahmmad Hussain Batalvi among his friends who have lived with him in Qadian Murrabi (missionary) School in Rabwah. NAS is so worried about exposition of his character, which now becomes obvious with every passing day that it canNOT be that of Mamur-Min-Allah (Divine appointee), that to scare me and Dr. Zahid Aziz, as a preventive measure, NAS has started attacking our families in vague language, just because we live in UK and USA.
NAS, the day I make claim of Mujadid of 15th Islamic century, I will present my character FIRST for public scrutiny and you and your followers will be given first chance to publically scrutinize me. I am sure if Dr. Zahid Aziz bhai ever makes such claim he will do the same.
NAS remember it is NOT me or Dr. Zahid Aziz who made claim of Mujadid. IT IS YOU NASIR AHMAD SULTANI WHO HAS MADE CLAIM OF MUJADID. YOU PROVE YOUR CHRACTER IS BLEMISH FREE.  ONUSES ARE ON YOU.  NAS read book by Mujadid of 14th century:
Need of Imam of the Age (Zarurat-ul-Imam): by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. English Translation by Imam Kalamazad Mohammad.  Revised by Dr. Zahid Aziz.
http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/mga/zaruratimamneedimamage/zaruratimamneedimamage.shtml

2-QK2 trained his followers in such a way that no matter even when QK2 biological daughter accused him of immorality, they (followers) did not question QK2 character and did not question his claim of “Musleh Mahud”. NAS has the same thinking. He thinks no one should question his character or claim, simply just because he claims to be recipient of “divine communication”. NAS like QK2 says no one can criticize him because he is a Divine appointee, but there is no proof that he is a Divine appointee! He could not foresee independence and free spirit of LAM members.

3-QK2 made his claim of “Musleh Mahud” without any support from Holy Quran. NAS exactly did the same. He made his claim of “Mujadid of 15th century” without any support from Holy Quran. NAS again read book by Mujadid of 14th century:
Testimony of the Holy Quran: by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. English translation of the Urdu book ‘Shahadat-ul-Quran’. Translated by Dr. Zahid Aziz.
http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/mga/testimonyholyquran/testimonyofholyquranpdf.shtml

4-QK2 was accused of immorality by his followers. Instead of engaging his accusers in a sensible, mature and transparent way and instead of replying to them, he used to use his propaganda organ Al-Fazal and his touts to demand for FOUR WITNESSES. NAS has taken exactly the same approach. BTW: Nobody is accusing NAS of immorality of that kind.

5-According to late Abdul Manan Omar sahib, many followers of QK2 in Qadian and Rabwah use to claim recipient of “divine communication” (Ilhamat), that they proudly use to tell everyone. Per Abdul Manan Omar sahib they were all BAI-TUKAY  KISAM KAY (nonsense type). Per Malik Mushtaq sahib one of follower of NAS has sent him 28 pages collection of “divine communication” claimed by NAS.

6-QK2 use to say to his followers, “I am doing great favor to you by being your Musleh Mahud”. In his speech of July 6, 2012, NAS said, “I am doing favor to you by being your Mujadid”.

7-Followers of QK2 claim their cult worldwide population is 200 MILLION. To their critics they say, “You prove to us that we are not 200 million”. NAS in his speech of July 6, 2012 says, “I am in process of writing my biography. You (perhaps he means RJ and Dr. ZA) prove what I write about my life is wrong”.

8-QK2 use to belittle and insult elders of LAM who had worldly education and Islamic education and scholarly works to prove their credentials. QK2 use to call them “peels of bananas and oranges”. NAS in his speech of July 6, 2012 has made effort to belittle modern western evidence based medicine. He said, “I consider allopathic medicine INFERIOR to homeopathic medicine”. This he said in reply to pointing out by myself (RJ) that he (NAS) is NOT qualified to use stethoscope, and he is pretending to know its purpose and acting as physician of modern western evidence based medicine (aka allopathic physician) and thus deceiving people by his GETUP. Any deception by him disqualifies him to be a Mujadid. Period.
NASIR AHMAD SULTANI HAVE YOU EVER HEARD: ‘IMITATION IS EXTREME FORM OF FLATTERY’.
By the way NAS: You’re applying immature defense mechanism to preserve your self-esteem. Ask your physician friend (educated in modern western evidence based medicine) to explain defense-mechanisms.

MESSAGE FOR MS: Please be careful, you may be playing in the hands of QK5 Mirza Masroor Ahmad’s MOLE (snitch)!!! NAS uses respectful words for Mirza Mahmud Ahmad and other followers of QK2. Whereas he uses nasty words for elders of LAM. It is possible that he has been put up to this by the Qadiani cult. They have learnt that they can’t argue against us. They have had to run from this LAM blog numerous times as you know. So their only way to damage us is to set up such a claimant to divide us. So, please watch out. Thanks.

For the reader’s pleasure, this dilemma is depicted in an Urdu poem by Saleem Kausar, rendered into English (below) by the author. Keep note of dual implications each step of the way, where the poet addresses the God and in the process mixes himself with Him and then questions Him from his own confusion. To confuse the matters further, poet blurs the actual God he is seeking with God that is figment of his own imagination. He also blurs his identity from an actuality to merely a thought. He even wonders as to who is more confused, the poet himself or the God or both. The poet also vacillates between first and third person in his composition. Pay special attention to capitalization which indicates possibly God:

While I dwell in the wishes of One;
Another keeps me in His thoughts

Mirror* reflects me on its front;
Behind it** lurks Someone else.
(* of life) (** -mirror, life)

I am in the grip of Someone’s desire;
Or the result of Someone’s payers

I am destined to Someone;
Or sought by Someone else.

Confounding is the belief and disbelief;
Yet life straddles it

I am proximal to Someone;
Yet yearned by Someone else.

My luminescence is no different than Thyself;
But

Come close for a closer look;
Are You that One or Someone else.

You were unaware of disbelievers;
I was incognizant of believers

Your legend is of Someone else;
my saga of Someone else.

The usual verdicts of the Just;
The usual diction of the judgments

But, my crime was different;
My punishment of Someone else.

As I revert back to You, ignore me;
Only cast a forgiving glance

I got directions once en-route;
My path was of Someone else.

Despite the nightlong sojourn;
Saleem* could not rendezvous Dawn (* -poet)

Was it God who I sought?;
or I sought Someone else.

Qur’ân clears the above doubts of man by exposing His will which is expressed by different angles and takes throughout the Qur’ân. Even though the whole Qur’ân could be quoted only a sampler is proscribed below…

Nasir Ahmad Sultani if I buy 2 million dollars life insurance policy I will do more scrutiny of company, with which I ensure my this worldly life for few years.  

Nasir Ahmad Sultani you want me to give in your hand my worldly life and eternal life and then take responsibility on myself to be answerable to Allah SWT if I go wrong in my decision. And you and your followers don’t want me to scrutinize you??? Can a genuine salesman have approach like yours??? Or is it approach of con-artist???

But what did this mean. Malik Sahib or other people never made a claim to be a Mujaddid. If they would have done so, then we would have scrutinized them in the same manner.

Now Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib claims to have Ilhams. I will not comment on that. But I need some proof of him bieng really appointed from Allah for this time. This prrof can be his services to Islam. And thats what he should show.

I will just quote one example about that. David Copperfield is one of the biggest magician of our times. He lets very huge things like trains, aeroplanes, etc. to disappear infront of cameras and live audience in a very small amount of time. He calls that illusion himself. But anybody who can learn the same techniques like Copperfield can also make claims that he is making these things to happens with the help of God. So should one only believe such a “miracle”. No we must see first the chracter and work of that individual. A miracle is not the most basic thing to accept someone as truthful or not. The biggest thing is the character and work of that individual. Like HMGA did prayers and those prayers resulted in miraculous changes.

Similarly Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib claims are there. But unfortunately they are not supported with the work. Can you please tell us about the acheivement for Islam that Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib has made in the time after his claim?

I am not a believer of the glorious stories of past. But a person who is claiming at present must have some solid things.

The time will automatically make it clear about the claims of Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib. Personally I am not convinced of what he claims and what he on other side presents as evidence for that. It is now sometime that he has been claiming to be Mujaddid.

One thing is clear that before his claim of being a Mujaddid he has not done any extraordinary literary work in the defence or service of Islam. So that thing is now due after he made this claim. According to him he is the only true appointed Mujaddid of current time in the whole of world. So what service he has done for Islam in defending, propogating and spreading it in the time after his claim.
The major things in which he is involved uptill now are mostly academic discussions, challenges to Lahori/Rabwah Jamaat, individuals and presenting HMGA teachings in support of his claims.

But what is his service to Islam. What are the biggest challenges which Islam is facing today? What should be done in order to meet these challenges? Is he aware of the people who are the biggest critics of Islam at present. Has he any intention to answer the allegations of those people.

If he is a truly appointed Mujaddid, then the time will become automatically a witness of his truthfulness. Otherwise uptill now we have seen only claims without any solid work accompanying that.

“Excellences of the past” — But my question was: Does Sultani sahib believe that there was ever a past when we had excellences? Please read my response directly to Sultani sahib of last November:

“Among our Lahore Ahmadiyya elders there were definitely several persons who received revelation from Allah, … But even they would not have replied to your challenge because they did not promote themselves as recipients of revelation.”

So we never met Sultani sahib’s standard! At the Split in 1914 and later, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad and even his followers put forward many revelations against LAM. But Maulana Muhammad Ali hardly ever mentioned any revelation of his own in public. And the other names I listed, they mentioned their revelations even less, if at all.

“The names you quote are of some holy members of AAIIL that are no longer living.”

— Were they holy according to Sultani sahib’s present standards? Did Sultani sahib consider them holy when some of them were still living?

For the past thirty years or more, members of the Qadiani Jamaat in discussions and debates with me have been telling me that Maulana Muhammad Ali was a thief, a liar, a hypocrite, and a coward. I can only assume that Sultani sahib used to agreed with these allegations. Does he still agree with the account of the Split written by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad in which he writes at the end:

“Maulawi Muhammad Ali and his friends departed from Qadian, and in their departure was fulfilled for a second time the revelation of the Promised Messiah … ‘Men of Yazid-like disposition would be expelled from Qadian’…. people who were envious and jealous of members of the Promised Messiah’s family, and had thereby proved themselves like Yazid, now came, by a Divine design, to be expelled from Qadian.”

So the Promised Messiah had the revelation ‘Men of Yazid-like disposition would be expelled from Qadian’. Then a great claimant to revelation, and to being the khalifa appointed by Allah, applies this revelation to the founders of the LAM. Then Sultani sahib himself is trained in this teaching. So what were the founders of LAM according to Sultani sahib’s standards?

The question posed is this (paraphrased):

‘Do you have live communication with Allah’

if not,

‘stop dwelling on excellences of the past’

and,

‘join me and attain certain knowledge of a living Allah in this present time.’

Therefore, to respond to your question:

The names you quote are of some holy members of AAIIL that are no longer living. Sultani Sahib is asking you if you have any people in AAIIL who have live communication with Allah?

He wishes to invite people to his Jamaat and by doing so join the Mujaddid of the 15th Century Hijrah.

The only credible man to contest him would be a man who is loved enough by Allah to receive his Divine inspiration, communication and knowledge.

82:1-5. When the heaven is torn apart, and when the stars become dispersed, and when the rivers are made to flow forth, and when the graves are laid open — every soul will know what it has sent ahead and what it has held back.

Religion aside, even if a physicist puts forth a new theory or extension of an existing theory, s/he is targeted with questions that challenge that theory to begin with. Such criticism is nothing new. What differentiates the former from the latter is that when putting forth a Divine claim for oneself, that person has to foremost clarify any questions or doubts regarding his personal character even before the issues of message are discussed. Take for example, Abu-Sufyan could not say a single negative thing about the character of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Byzantine court and nor could Batalvi for HMGA. These are basic standards of personal character that are developed much before claim of Divine nomination. Personal character and characteristics are the first test of a Divine. Somehow neither Mr. Sultani nor his followers get this basic requirement of Divine-hood.

In Holy Quran the example of trial of Prophet Joseph (PBUH) proves beyond doubt that at times circumstantial evidence is more important than eye witness or personal account. Mr. Sultani has to standup to circumstantial scrutiny if he claims to be what he is.

Furthermore, Mr. Sultani self contradicts in his said sermon. He denies others the right to scrutinize him if they have not associated with him, yet he scrutinizes AAIIL in point 4 (identified by Dr. Aziz above) when he states:

“You, the people around you, and your Ameer, are deprived of the right path (sirat-i mustaqeem) taught by the Promised Messiah. How can you bring the world to the right path? Can a blind one show others the way?”

Has he associated with the organization of AAIIL? By attracting some fringe elements of AAIIL if he thinks he has associated with the organization, then he is sadly mistaken.

Mr. Sultani obviously has an axe to grind when he reverse smears his rightful critics. This back and forth can go on till the cows come home without either party relenting. In such an impasse, the question naturally shifts to the followers of Mr. Sultani. What have they found in Mr. Sultani that has not already come to light in our current understanding of Quran? What solutions does he provide to the world in general and Muslims in particular? Can they make statements about Mr. Sultani in the same manner that Jaffar-bin-Abi Talib (akaTayyar) RA and Mughira RA made in the courts of Ethiopia and Persia about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and how the latter transformed their lives?

In his sermon Mr. Sultani denigrates at length allopathy in favor of homeopathy. He comes across quite ignorant in his comments as he apparently has no knowledge of allopathy but feels qualified to disrespect a field based upon science that Allah created, that saves lives every moment across the world, prevents children from becoming orphans and women from becoming widows. 

Still, he has not answered the questions about his use of “allopathic stethoscope around his neck.” Using a rhyme from Quran in style of Mr. Sultani - 6:158. …Say, `Wait, we too are waiting.’

Mr. Sultani in his sermon used verse 5:42 to hit back at his critics. Factually, he used the excerpt of the verse more as a punch line rather than as a moral lesson for which the said verse and its adjoining verses were intended. He tries to hammer in the words “so if they come to you” implying that since AAIIL critics have not come to him they are replicating Jews at the time of the Prophet. The said verse is as follows:

5:42. Listeners for the sake of a lie, devourers of forbidden things, so if they come to you, judge between them or turn away from them. And if you turn away from them, they cannot harm you at all. And if you judge, judge between them with equity. Surely Allah loves the equitable.

Following the “sunnah” of Mr. Sultani, will it be fair to make a similar statement from Quran about the “allopathic stethoscope around his neck?”

111:1-5. Abu Lahab’s hands will perish and he will perish. His wealth and what he earns will not avail him. He will burn in fire giving rise to flames — and his wife — the bearer of slander; upon her neck a halter of twisted rope!

No! It will be utterly wrong to do so. So Mr. Sultani please refrain from using Quran for base arguments.

Link to article on his website:

http://al-ahmadiyyat.com/official/qalam-1-islam-aaii/

(Article in PDF format)

Under point 4 he says: “You, the people around you, and your Ameer, are deprived of the right path (sirat-i mustaqeem) taught by the Promised Messiah. How can you bring the world to the right path? Can a blind one show others the way?”

The question naturally arises: At what point in its history did the Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamaat and its Ameers become deprived of the right path and blind?

Was it from the beginning in 1914 that this was so? If yes, then Maulana Muhammad Ali was deprived of the right path of the Promised Messiah and blind when he broke with Mirza Mahmud Ahmad. And “the people around you” at that time were also deprived of the right path, including Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din, Dr Mirza Yaqub Baig, Dr Basharat Ahmad, etc.

Strange then, that these persons were deprived of the right path and blind, but they managed to save the true claims of the Promised Messiah, the claims which now Sultani sahib accepts as against the Qadiani Jamaat viewpoint!

If it was not from the beginning in 1914, then did it happen later, perhaps when the 15th century hijra began (1979)? So that Dr Saeed Ahmad Khan, Naseer Ahmad Faruqui, Dr Allah Bakhsh, Hafiz Sher Muhammad, Prof. Khalil-ur-Rahman, Dr Asghar Hameed, etc. were deprived of the right path of the Promised Messiah and blind.

Let us have the answer to the question: when did we become blind?

I have no hesitation is admitting about myself that I might well be judged by Allah as being deprived of the right path taught by the Promised Messiah and blind.