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August 13th, 2013

Qadiani Missionary Ansar Raza (Canada) is running away from Qadiani Claim of “Ummati-Nabi”

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri


1-For last 100 years Qadiani have been saying that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (HMGA) made claim of “Ummati-Nabi” (God forbid).  This is what Qadiani Missionaries are taught in Qadiani Missionary Schools, and this is what every Qadiani (who holds belief that Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad was a man of good morals and holder of divine appointment) believes and propagate. Qadianis were able to get away with their lies for over 90 years. Since year 2000, internet has become more common and accessible to young Qadianis. Taking advantage of this ‘great equalizer’ I started challenging Qadianis to provide ONE REFERNCE from HMGA writings where he has written phrase ‘Ummati-Nabi’. And in this regard, in tradition of HMGA, I announced prize money of US$1,000.00 that over the years  I increased to US$ 10,000.00 (Ten Thousand US dollars).  This was quite an unnerving challenge to Qadianis. They tried to “JUSTIFY” their claim by putting different quotations of HMGA together, but FAILED, again FALIED to produce any such a quote from HMGA writings, as demanded. I am willing to increase prize money if Qadianis want.

2-Qadiani Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad realized that his followers, including Qadiani Missionaries can NOT stand up to Lahori-Ahmadis (even those who have rudimentary knowledge of HMGA, Holy Quran and Hadith) in a discussion, so QK4 strictly stopped Qadiani Missionaries from discussing with Lahori-Ahmadis especially on a public forum like internet message boards, and discussion blogs.

3-Qadiani Missionaries are SO SCARED to discuss on blogs that not only they do not discuss with Lahori-Ahmadis but they also do NOT discuss with general Muslims. BUT THESE SHAMELESS CREATURES do not stop from inviting Lahori-Ahmadis and general Muslims to get into discussion with them in closed circles of email recipients.

4-Qadiani Missionary ANSAR RAZA, wrote me an email with attachment in Urdu language, inviting me to discuss NONSENSE of ‘Ummati-Nabi’ in October 2012. I asked him to write me in English and I will post his case on Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement blog [current host blog] and reply to his comments there. He went sleep on my reply but after some prompting he said he will write me in English when he gets time. But NEVER got back to me.

5-In last few days I started receiving emails (as one of the 41 recipients) of Qadiani Missionary in Canada Ansar Raza on the same old Qadiani LIE ‘Ummati-Nabi’. I figured like before, he will ignore me. So I started bouncing back his emails IN HARSH LANGUAGE AND PERSONALLY TARGETTING HIM, TO EMBARRASS HIM, WITH SOLE AIM OF DRAWING HIS ATTENTION AND GETTING HIM TO GET INTO DIRECT DISCUSSION WITH MYSELF. My strategy worked, so he stared writing me in English. So after few exchanges of emails,  I asked him to continue discussion on LAM blog. There are many reasons for it: I- LAM and other references are readily available on line. II-Gives chance to Lahori-Ahmadi and Qadiani scholars and readers to comment and enhance their knowledge, and to correct their misunderstandings and wrong beliefs. III-Information will remain safe and easily accessible to many decades. IV-Current and future generations will learn. V-Qadiani Khalifa 5 Mirza Masroor Ahmad will learn what his missionaries are doing, and QK5 will personally “TEACH” Qadiani Missionary Ansar Raza and other Missionaries. This “personal teaching” of Qadiani Missionaries, including Ansar Raza, will go LONG WAY in correcting status of HMGA in minds of Qadianis.

6-Qadiani Missionary, in Canada, Ansar Raza, has STOPPED CLAIMING that HMGA made claim of ‘Ummati-Nabi’ and has started following another Qadiani strategy. Remember: Qadianis claim that there are 200 Million Qadianis in the world. When you ask them to prove it, as onuses is on them for their claim they make, they shamelessly say, “if you’re saying we (Qadianis) are lying then prove to us that we are NOT 200 million”. Now Qadiani Missionary Ansar Raza says: Prove me from Holy Quran that there cannot be an ‘Ummati-Nabi. Please note he is NOT continuing Qadiani Claim that HMGA made claim of ‘Ummati-Nabi’.

FOLLOWING ARE LAST FEW EMAIL EXCHANGES BETWEEN ME AND QADIANI MISSIONARY, IN CANADA MR. ANSAR RAZA. I HOPE QADIANI MISSIONAY, IN CANADA, WILL DARE TO DISCUSS ISSUE ON ‘UMMATI-NAB’ ON OPEN BLOG…

3 Responses to “Qadiani Missionary Ansar Raza (Canada) is running away from Qadiani Claim of “Ummati-Nabi””

  1. August 13th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    I think that rather than reproducing these e-mail exchanges on this forum, Mr Ansar Raza should be asked to re-post his opinion on the matter under discussion. Moreover, only he or some other responsible representatives of the Qadiani Jamaat should take part, otherwise the discussion will be dragged into different directions.

    It is also very important that they clarify, right at the beginning, what are the powers and authority of a so-called ummati nabi as compared to the authority of a nabi (i.e. the Holy Prophet Muhammad), so that people know what will be required of them if they accept the ummati nabi.

    For example, one who doesn't believe in a nabi is a non-Muslim. Does the same apply to not believing in an ummati nabi?

    To declare acceptance of the Holy Prophet, the Kalima is recited. This is repeated in every prayer. How is the acceptance of an ummati nabi declared? Is it possible that there are members of the Qadiani Jamaat, fulfilling all daily obligations of Islam and of their Jamaat, who have never once in their lives uttered the declaration that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet?

    What is the position of the revelation of the ummati nabi? Is it equal to the Quran because both are words of Allah, or is it (like hadith) below the Quran and can be rejected if it confilcts with the Quran? Is it above hadith? After all, we can't be sure about any hadith that it is exactly the words of the Holy Prophet, but we are fully sure about the writings and the revelations of the ummati nabi that they are exactly as he left them.

    If a belief has certain consequences which are unacceptable, then that belief is also unacceptable because you will not be able to avoid those consequences if you accept that belief.


  2. August 16th, 2013 at 4:43 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    On August 14, 2013 i sent following email to Ansar Raza and other supporters of Qadiani claim of "Ummati-Nabi". Asking them to kindly discuss the topic on a public forum for benefit of readers. I hope they do post their comments here.

    Dear All, especially Ansar Raza, Fazil Jamal, Abdur Rehman:

    PLEASE come to LAM blog and have SCHOLARLY, HONEST, OPEN AND FOCUSED discussion on "Ummati-Nabi".

    Ansar Raza sahib,

    Please come to LAM blog. You're FAMOUS AND SCHOLAR Missionary of Qadiani-Ahmadis in Canada. People know you well. So, please come to LAM blog and present your case. I assure you, everyone, including me will be utmost respectful on a public forum.

    Please, please, please do come. I will LOVE to see you there.

    Please click on the following link:

    Qadiani Missionary Ansar Raza (Canada) is running away from Qadiani Claim of “Ummati-Nabi”

    Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri

    http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2013/08/13/qadiani-missionary-ansar-raza-canada-is-running-away-from-qadiani-claim-of-ummati-nabi/#comments

    Thanking you in anticipation.

    Rashid Jahangiri. 


  3. August 27th, 2013 at 5:23 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    Theme of QK5 Mirza Masroor Ahmad Friday Sermons in Last Few Weeks

    In last few weeks QK5 Mirza Masroor Ahmad has been admonishing his followers to NOT to get into discussions with their opponents on public forums/ face book. I guess he does not want his 'Tawni Choohay' (Plague Mouse) ** to be publically killed with arguments and reasons on public forums.

    ** QK2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad use to call his missionaries 'Tawni Chooha' (Plague Mouse). The way plague mouse spreads the disease in darkness, and by moving while hiding, similarly Qadiani do their work. Qadiani missionaries and other followers of QK2 try to spread infection of their Qadiani-Cult-ism through emails, and personal contacts. They never come in open in broad day light i.e. on public forum like this one. They are well aware that if do such mistake, flaws in their beliefs and practices will become clear to the very people they plan to infect. One such Qadiani Missionary who perfectly fits well on title bestowed to his missionaries by QK2 is Qadiani Missionary based in Canada Mr. Ansar Raza.


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