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March 28th, 2015

Has respect for me been “destroyed” by my responses in this discussion?

I reproduce below verbatim a series of e-mail exchanges between an enquirer, who contacted our website e-mail address, and myself which took place from 19th March to 27th March. In place of his name I am only showing his initials.

DA:

Dear Dr. Zahid Aziz

Please tell me about the official Status of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, in your belief system.

Kind Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

Thank you for writing to us. Please see the following link for the answer to your question:

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/cont-hmga.htm

Regards.


DA:

The link does not specify the STATUS. I already know that your Jamaat do not believe that he was a Prophet. What do you call him? "Promised Messiah"?

Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

Kindly go to the links within that link. For example:

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/hmga.htm

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/claims/intro.htm

His status, as believed by us, is clearly stated on these two very short pages.

Regards


Zahid Aziz:

I should also have added that these two short pages contain further links where the topic about his claims and status is dealt with in detail.

Regards


DA:

Thank you very much Dr. Zahid Aziz. From the links it is also clear that the title " Promised Messiah" is shared by both branches of Ahmadiyyat. If possible please tell me who is the Promiser ?

Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

"Promised Messiah" means the Messiah whose coming was promised to the Muslims. The promise was made implicitly in the Quran (24:55) and explicitly by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. They are the promisers.

Regards.


DA:

Many thanks. Regards.


DA:

Please direct me to the link or place where I can find the relevant Hadees.


Zahid Aziz:

I am attaching here the scanned image of a chapter from the book 'The Ahmadiyya Movement', which quotes and explains those hadith reports.

Regards.

[See attachment at this link]


DA:

There is no "Promised Messiah" in the Holy Quran.


Zahid Aziz:

But you asked: "Please direct me to the link or place where I can find the relevant Hadees." So I answered the question which you asked. I could not answer a question which you did not ask. Maybe you possess that magical power, to answer questions that you haven't been asked!

The question of Promised Messiah in the Quran has been discussed by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in a book which is available at the following link:

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/books/testi-hq/ch2b.htm

But where does the Quran mention the coming back of Jesus (Isa), which is believed in by most Muslims?

Regards.


DA:

My original question was very simple and straight forward. I wanted to know the status of  ……  The links do not answer the question.  In my belief system, the writer of these links has no credibility.

The question was not asked by most Muslims. There no coming back of any prophet in the Holy Quran as far as I know.


Zahid Aziz:

Your original question was: "Please tell me about the official Status of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, in your belief system."

I answered it five days ago as follows:

[quote]
Kindly go to the links within that link. For example:

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/hmga.htm
http://www.ahmadiyya.org/claims/intro.htm

His status, as believed by us, is clearly stated on these two very short pages.
[unquote]

So the issue of discussion now is: Do the above links mention what we believe or do they not?

You say: "In my belief system, the writer of these links has no credibility."

I could say the same about you! Exactly what credibility does your belief system have? Presumably your belief system was taught to you directly by Allah, and therefore it is the standard of truth by which everyone else's beliefs should be judged!

At least my belief system has not made me arrogant.

Regards.


DA:

Dear Dr. Zahid Aziz,
The reason I asked the question was that I was not very clear about the difference between the two branches of Ahmadiyyat.
There was no issue involved.

I have not used any offensive word in my message. If you feel that I have offended you, I apologise most sincerely.
If calling me arrogant makes you happy, be my guest.
I have no reason to get involved in any discussion about yours or mine beliefs. There is no Prophet/ Promised Messiah after Prophet Muhammad SAW , in Islam that I know.

Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

That's fine. Thank you, and sorry for any offence caused by me.

It seems that you also agree with us in one important respect where we disagree with most Muslims. They believe that Jesus will return to this world, something we don't accept at all. So at least in this one respect you consider us as right and most Muslims as wrong.

Regards.


DA:

Dear Dr. Zahid Aziz,
There are more than one issues on which I do not agree with Muslims but I do not call them WRONG. I do not have the credentials or evidence to pronounce judgement on any issue. I can easily discussed the Return of Jesus issue with you. Go ahead .
Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

You said: "There is no Prophet/ Promised Messiah after Prophet Muhammad SAW , in Islam that I know."

I conclude from this that you believe that Jesus cannot return.

On the general issue of whether we can call other Muslims (note: I have said "other Muslims" here, not "Muslims") as wrong, if they are bringing Islam into disrepute by their interpretation of, for example, jihad, then unless we call them wrong on those issues the general world will continue to think that their interpretation has some foundation.

Muslims who believe that Islam teaches that a Muslim who leaves Islam must be executed are wrong and are defaming Islam.

Muslims who believe that Islam teaches them to kill anyone who mocks the Prophet Muhammad are again wrong.

Muslims who believe that girls should not be given education are wrong and acting against Islam.

Anyone can be *wrong* on some issue. I can be wrong, you can be wrong, and likewise most Muslims can be wrong.

Please don't hesitate to call me wrong when you consider me to be wrong. It will do me good!

Regards.


DA:

[1] There is no second coming of any prophet  named in the Holy Quran. That is my belief.

[2] Only a small minority of Muslims harbour the beliefs you have stated above. The majority of Muslims does not advocate killing any one.
Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

[1] That is also our belief. But a very large number of Muslims believe that Jesus will return to this world, so much so that they claim that it is almost unanimous. This means that anyone who doesn't hold this belief needs to show arguments and evidence from Islamic teachings that this belief is not correct. As Muslims, we can't just differ from a widely prevailing belief of Muslims without giving reasons.

[2] Really? The law of Pakistan, passed by its elected government, prescribes the death penalty, and only the death penalty, for "insulting the Holy Prophet". And in actual cases where people have been charged with this crime, "insulting the Holy Prophet" is given such a wide definition that almost any statement can be alleged to be an insult.

People in Pakistan, including Muslims, have been actually killed by lynch mobs for this alleged crime. The police and government could not protect them because of the very strong feeling in the public that such people should be killed.

Have you heard of the Mumtaz Qadri case, and how he is hailed as a hero in Pakistan for killing governor Salman Taseer?

It is a very widely held belief among Muslims that any Muslim who leaves the religion of Islam (apostasy) must be executed. The laws of some Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, prescribe the death penalty for this.

Regards.


DA:

It will be helpful if we deal with one issue at a time. Also  this dialogue is between two individuals. Please do not drag "muslims" into it. There are not present here and cannot be included.

Shall we start with the return of Jesus as the first issue? I can assure you that I have the ability and knowledge to deal with all the issues that you have raised after we have finished with Jesus.

Regards.


Zahid Aziz:

Your original questions to me were:

"Please tell me about the official Status of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, in your belief system."
"I already know that your Jamaat do not believe that he was a Prophet. What do you call him?"

So you can "drag" our Jamaat into it, but I can't drag your fellow Muslims into it!

Let us then discuss the return of Jesus. You have already said:

"There is no second coming of any prophet named in the Holy Quran. That is my belief."

So what is your opinion about the reports in Hadith that Jesus will return?

You say: "I can assure you that I have the ability and knowledge to deal with all the issues that you have raised after we have finished with Jesus."

Well, I am not that confident of my own ability and knowledge vis-a-vis yours, since I don't know who you are, whether you are a novice or the greatest Islamic scholar on earth.

Can you provide some evidence of your ability and knowledge? The evidence of my limited ability and knowledge (on those other issues) is here: www.ahmadiyya.org/islam/islam-pt.htm 

Regards.


DA:

Dear Dr.Zahid Aziz,
I know what was my original question and your response and I can say with 100% honesty that  my objective was to know the views of your Jamaat.  I addressed you by name. I did not address your Jamaat at all. Other Muslims are not involved in this dialogue . Why mention them?

Read my previous message again. I stated clearly that I will deal with these issues one at a time, lumping them leads to confusion and sadly you have already created it. I will ignore your comments about my knowledge etc. because they have no value and only expose petty mindedness.  I have no time to waste on any links.

Here is my response to "so what is your opinion [about the reports in Hadith]…………":

Which Hadith?  


Zahid Aziz:

The beliefs of other Muslims are certainly relevant because the very reason for your enquiry is that we differ from other Muslims in accepting Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The underlying theme from you towards me is: Why are your beliefs different from other Muslims?

I asked about "the reports in Hadith that Jesus will return". But you respond: Which Hadith?

Are you unaware of the existence of such reports in Hadith books (e.g. Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)? If you have never heard of, or read about, or know of such hadith, then what does that say about your level of knowledge?

Regards.


DA:

Dear Dr. Zahid Aziz,
Had great respect for you but the last three messages have completely destroyed it. In that kind of environment we cannot achieve anything. I will not bother you again.
No hard feelings. May Allah bless you with peace.
Regards

D.


To readers of this blog:

People have the right to judge if my replies above should lead to respect for me being "completely destroyed".

Zahid Aziz 

27 Responses to “Has respect for me been “destroyed” by my responses in this discussion?”

  1. March 29th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    I do not think you should waste your time on the above dialogue.


  2. DA enquired for and was answered by Dr. Zahid Aziz about status of HMGA, why is he called “Promised Messiah,” the sources for “The Promiser,” relevant Hadiths/Quran etc. His responses indicate that either DA never read the reference links provided to him or he wanted the discussion to be an entrapment on some minor ifs and or buts. However, he continued to complain about complaints, a help rejecting complainer.

    He made the claim – “I can easily discussed [sic] the Return of Jesus issue with you.” We are all eager for him to discuss. While we are waiting for him to initiate the discussion, one of the links by Dr. Zahid Aziz gives a beforehand reply:

    In believing Hazrat Mirza to be the Promised Messiah, Ahmadis are not adding any new belief to Islam. They are only accepting the Quran’s verdict that Jesus is not alive in heaven, and then interpreting the Hadith prophecy about his future coming, on the basis of that clear ruling. Moreover, by showing that the Holy Prophet Muhammad’s prophecies about the coming of the Messiah, and other related events, have been fulfilled in this age, this Movement has proved the truth of Islam and the words of its Holy Prophet.

    If the Ahmadiyya interpretation is rejected, then every Muslim should consider the alternatives. Either he must accept the belief, damaging to Islam and contrary to the Quran, that Jesus is still alive in heaven and will return to this world after the Last of the prophets, the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Or, if it is admitted that Jesus is dead and cannot return, then all the Holy Prophet’s prophecies connected with this matter, which are contained in the most authentic books of Hadith, will have to be rejected as fabricated. (The Promised Messiah – link)


  3. April 5th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    @Ikram Please do me a favour and tell me why members of both Jamaats; Qadiani and Lahori are obsessed with Jesus?


  4. April 5th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    I think Ikram, in his professional capacity, knows what is an obsessive disorder, but let me give a response as well.

    The main reason is that Christian missionaries spread throughout the Muslim world from about the year 1850 and, seeing that Muslims believed in Jesus, they presented Jesus as being the saviour even on the basis of the Muslims' own beliefs. Large numbers of Muslims became Christians, and others were ill-equipped to reply. In this clash, it became essential to clarify what Islam actually teaches about Jesus. Many wrong beliefs about Jesus held by Muslims played right into the hands of Christian proselytisers.

    This is why the Ahmadiyya Movement made great progress in those parts of the world where Muslims, especially of Indian origin, had to face this assault, e.g. Indonesia, West Indies, Fiji islands etc.

    Also, the mission of the Ahmadiyya Movement was to propagate Islam in the West, which was staunchly Christian. Therefore it had to show that Jesus was a human being and not God or son of God.

    Yes, if Ahmadis are obsessed with Jesus, it is because they love the Holy Prophet Muhammad. So when Jesus is presented as the only sinless being, who was so morally pure that he never had sexual relations and never raised the sword against his enemies, and a stark contrast is drawn with the character of the Holy Prophet Muhammad to blacken it, then Ahmadis will refute this.

    Yes, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad found it unacceptable that a large part of the world should worship a desceased human being as the living son of God. And he found it also unacceptable that Muslims themselves should be awaiting the return of a past prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad. This is called having respect and regard, and deep passion and love, for the One God and for His last and greatest Prophet. To this we plead guilty.


  5. Dr. Zahid Aziz comprehensively replied to the original question by Naushad Ali. My response is only a personal view.

    I will further expand on the question – why members of Lahore Jamaat are obsessed with Jesus alone? Why not Enoch (Idris) as well who too experienced Rafa just like Jesus? Others, for example, Hindus also consider (prophets) Rama and Krishna as Gods? Why worry about Christianity?

    Jesus stands unique among the prophets. His followers turned his Islam into Christianity, just like Israelites changed Islam of Moses into Judaism before him, but with a difference. Of all the religions in the world which do not have much to do with each other, only Islam and Christianity proselyte. Only Islam as a religion is anti-Christianity (and vice versa) in its spiritual and moral domain.

    According to Quran (Chapter Kahf – Cave) and elaborative sayings of Prophet Muhammad, Christianity in Latter Days will not be just one more religion but it will transform into Dajjal Masih, a religious-political-military force, which will spread its tentacles around the globe driven by doctrine of Atonement, aka non-accountable plunder, exploitation and servitude. Initially, it physically colonized the world, by occupation and now by its financial and military empire. As prophesized, in due course, it also polluted the spiritual fabric of every nation without exception, Muslims included, with its evils e.g. usury, alcohol, promiscuity etc. As predicted,  its technological advancement will be a source of both evil and blessing (compare the war related deaths in last one century alone and $700 million in interest that it sucks into City of London daily from around the globe vs. the advancements in physics, chemistry, astronomy, medicine to the extent that it almost brings dead to life).

    The credit goes to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who identified this Dajjal as the Judeo-Christian forces that Henry Ford translated in his own way as ‘super-capital’ and ‘super-government’ that runs the globe economically, militarily and politically. The veto powers in Security Council is only a small aspect of its window dressing, which it has used essentially against Muslims – Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Iran to name a few. Do we even remember the dismemberment of Ottoman Empire and its replacement with despot regimes to this day? The Dajjal will not compromise on democracy for itself but obviously does not tolerate for Muslim world. Remember Shah of Iran, Shah Farooq of Egypt and current Kings in the Middle East and the Gulf; the Dictators of past and present of Muslim world?

    I am sure if Prophet Muhammad was alive today he would love Dajjal for its blessings, but a common man unwittingly while loving his iPhone is paying bone-crushing interest on every morsel of food that he eats, every sip of water that he drinks, every inch of fabric that he wears, every mile that he travels and so on. Every relationship, of husband and wife, father and son, sister and brother is being strained by the globalized reach of Dajjal, the materialism. There is a global servitude of both body and soul now that Prophet Muhammad had liberated the mankind from earlier.

    Now coming to ‘why Jesus’ in all this. All the wars of the last century, all the trials of isms (Colonialism, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and now Capitalism) and on and on, all happened in the backyard of Christianity. Instead of hindering the global chaos, it only augmented it, either by its silence or its silent abetment. This only proves one thing. Scientific and technological advancement is a must and the need of mankind because it is congruent to reason and the teachings of Quran. However, if this development is devoid of guiding light of Quran (not Mullah) we do not know what is awaiting us, besides the existing vice like grip of economic slavery of every man, woman and a child yet to be born. These statements are not hot air. To visualize them, check out these links for derivatives and a sampler of global debt. If you ask someone to stand on one leg, s/he may for a while but not for too long as unnatural things cannot stand, for long.

    The whole Dajjalic doctrine has only one weak link in it i.e. ‘Jesus is dead.’ This is not an invention of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or of Lahore Jamaat after him. This is the declaration of Quran, Hadith and plain common sense.

    The instant Jesus is accepted to be dead (and buried in Kashmir), then according to another prophecy of Prophet Muhammad, Dajjal will dissolve away like salt in water. Dead Jesus is a death blow to Christianity, its Trinity, its Atonement and its Dajjalic doctrine, while it fully restores Allah as Ahad, Quran as Khatam-ul-Kitab and Prophet Muhammad as absolute Khatam-un-Nabbiyin. In all this, what did Muslims lose? Nothing! Islam gained, if nothing else, its disinterest in interest.


  6. April 7th, 2015 at 9:54 am
    From Naushad Ali:

    No. He has not answered the question. I asked the question to Ikram, not Zahid Aziz. As always, questions are never answered and the original question is sidetracked. The above is a typical example of Ahmadi mentality. Mixing the issues and irrelevant ranting on cannot deceive the public at large.


  7. April 7th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali: As I wrote to you in a direct e-mail exchange between us on another topic a few days ago:

    "That is your judgment. It is for others to judge, not for you or me to judge".

    Readers of this blog can judge whether myself or Ikram have answered your question or not. Which part of our answers was "irrelevant ranting"? Please quote.

    (Meanwhile, I will continue to listen to those lovely, legendary Indian film songs of fifty years ago whose music was composed by your very talented namesake Naushad Ali.)


  8. April 7th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    The founder of Ahmadyyat and Ahmadiyat have been rejected by Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, for various reasons. Most significantly by all the Muslims.

    Ask yourselves this question, Why?


  9. April 7th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    He was rejected by "Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs" because they don't believe in the Holy Prophet Muhammad in the first place! So anyone claiming that Islam is the true religion isn't accepted by them.

    According to your concept of the second coming of Jesus, all non-Muslims will certainly accept him because he will threaten to kill them. In the Saudi approved English translation of the Quran it is stated in a footnote that when Jesus comes: "all mankind will be required to embrace Islam with no other alternative" (under 8:39 and 3:55).

    As to being rejected "all the Muslims" this is a blatant falsehood and nonsense written by you. Where did his followers come from then? Perhaps they were from among the jinn or aliens from space!


  10. I find it strange that Naushad Ali is singling out Ahmadis and does not think Sunni and other Muslims are more fanatical about their beliefs with regard to Jesus, for it many of them whom await his literal, physical descent into this world for the entire world to see; an old yet unaged prophet to come after the Holy Prophet Muhammad that will be able to literally raise the dead and heal the blind, and with such superpowers no doubt defeat the physical one-eyed monstrous being known as the Dajjal with his sword. That in of itself seems to be a pretty big deal and something to obsess about.

    Naushad Ali, the Promised Messiah may be rejected and reviled by many a Muslim today, but the interpretation of Islam he put forth for the world to see is showing its light, such as being seen through the literature of his trusted disciple, Maulana Muhammad Ali. Which interpretation of Islam would you rather see promoted in this world? 


  11. April 7th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    Grow up Dr. Zahid! Quit living in cloud cookuland. 1.6 billion Muslims have rejected him. That meas 99.9% of them. In my understanding that means ALL. That means total rejection.


  12. April 7th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali: Why does our existence then bother you so much that you feel the desperate need to prove us wrong? The very fact that you are debating with us is proof that you are extremely worried by our existence and our arguments, and that we are not negligible!

    You are no doubt trying to earn credit, popularity and "brownie points" with your constituency of ignorants by claiming to have defeated Ahmadis in debate. But if we are so tiny, then you have done no more than to swat a fly or crush an ant!


  13. We, as readers of this blog, cannot read minds of the contributors and can only rely on what is written by them. However, their writings sometimes give away what's in their minds. Quran gives the psychological basis of this rage which displaces commonsense in “cookuland” of theirs:

    18:68. And how can you have patience in matters in which you do not have a comprehensive knowledge?[Muhammad Ali – Ed. Zahid Aziz]

    If we recall early Islamic history, many opponents of Prophet Muhammad were convinced of his truth but they could not reconcile their existing beliefs with the truth, hence they would refuse to accept the Prophet.

    Similarly, in our times, many fellow Muslims cannot ignore the truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Him they can reject, but they equally cannot reconcile their existing belief of physical return of Jesus. It does not end there. They also cannot give up the hope of a bloody Mehdi as well. Even worse, certain sects are in double jeopardy by their beliefs that if Jesus is alive in heavens and can return in person, then why cannot the occulted Imam too can return in person as well to be that Mehdi?

    Suddenly the whole Muslim world has awoken to the concept of a 'Peaceful Jihad". Each pulpit, every forum and each newspaper column is trying to outdo the other by claiming "Jihad by Pen." What brought this sea change? Obviously, it is hypocrisy of their minds. Outwardly they claim peace but inwardly are awaiting the advent of the ultimate killer, the avenger, the (Fruedian) ego protector, the slege-hammer, the final grand-slammer, the Mehdi.

    What they all fail to recognize is that bloody Mehdi of theirs will destroy Quran with the very first swing of his sword when he tries to force convert the world to Islam (read ISIS). His every action will be against Quran because in the latter there is no compulsion in religion.

    Each of this 'odd couple' of theirs, the Messiah and Mehdi, has a well-defined mission, though not too holy. The mythical Jesus will unflinchingly trample the finality of the prophethood and the Mehdi, not to be left behind, will destroy the Quran.

    All those who are in wait for this mythical odd couple in turn oddly make delusory claims to be enmeshed in love of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They make laws, persecute and even kill others on false pretexts of anyone even allegedly 'desecrating' Quran, a Book whose protection is responsibility of none but Allah Himself. Obviously they are more loyal than the king.

    But, their actions speak louder than their words. Such are factually the faces of desecrators of the finality and perfection of Prophethood (of Muhammad, pbuh) and the finality and perfection of the Book (Quran) and Islam in sum-total. Welcome to the finest of bigotry in the name of a crookedly interpreted religion that is repugnant to human reason, sense of morality and plain common sense – the “cookuland,” where not surprisingly commonsense is not that common.


  14. April 8th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    Dear Dr. Zahid,

    I am surprised that you could be the author of such "childish" response.

    I have no interest in proving anything, right or wrong. This notion is the product of your own mind. I have never interfered in your beliefs.  It is your birth right to have your beliefs. I have contacted you as an individual to understand the difference between the two Ahmadiyyats. I have always respected ALL religious beliefs including yours. I have been brought up in a NON SECTARIAN environment. Ahmadiyyat and people like you have "self defeaded" themselves. Yes you are a tiny insignificant minority. However as a muslim I will never swat/ kill a human being.


  15. April 8th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    @ Ikram By using abusive language, you have only exposed your bigoted and "gutter" mentality. I will not waste any more time on you.


  16. April 8th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali:

    You say you have no interest in proving anything right or wrong. But you have, over the years, been sending anti-Ahmadiyya literature to Ahmadis and asking your fellow anti-Ahmadiyya zealots for suggestions on ways of further spreading that literature!

    If you are non-sectarian then let us know your opinion of other Muslim sects calling themselves Deobandis, Barelvis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. etc. Being non-sectarian, you should be applauding Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din for establishing the non-sectarian Woking Muslim Mission in the country in which you are living.

    You misunderstood my mention of swatting flies and crushing ants. I said that if we are so insignificant and already rejected by 99.9% of Muslims, then for you to attack us is like a man swatting a fly or crushing an ant and regarding it as a great achievement (and bragging about it to his anti-Ahmadiyya friends).


  17. April 8th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    I am closing this conversation. You are certainly addressing a different Naushad not me.  End of story. I will not contact you again.


  18. April 8th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Are you not the person who posted in an anti-Ahmadiyya blog in October 2010 that you have a huge volume of evidence to prove that Ahmadiyyat is completely false and is the entire opposite of the Truth (with capital T)?


  19. The above blog-exchanges represent unwavering views on the fundamental doctrines of Islam i.e. the pristine perfection and finality of prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the Quran.

    Any member of Lahore Jamaat will never compromise on these fundamentals. As a Muslim, we are duty bound to clarify and expunge any pollution of ideas into these fundamentals. Our efforts have to reflect the doctrine of “Jihad by Pen” which is the dictate of Quran – So do not obey the disbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it [–Quran] (25:52). As humans we can err in our arguments but Quran is never erring – This Book, in which there is no doubt, is a guide to those who keep their duty (2:2). Consequently, every Muslim is duty bound for a mighty striving.

    Quran is quite clear about strength of its arguments against falsehood irrespective of its source, both from within or without the Muslims – Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, so it knocks out its brains, and lo! it vanishes (21:18).  Some of the responses above reflect a clueless and knocked out brain that vanished.

    Another interesting point that is frequently sidestepped in the discussion about Jesus by the proponents of his physical ascension and descent (from God knows where), is that as long as the prophets are alive, none has ever been retired from the office of prophethood, nor one has ever resigned from it. If Jesus, son of Mary, is alive somewhere then he will remain a prophet as long as he lives. On his physical return his office cannot be downgraded for him to be a follower of another prophet, which in our case is Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

    If we slice and dice the Quran, and beat every bush outside Quran, there is one peripheral instance where an initially righteous person lost favor with Allah and thereafter is condemned. In a Biblical manner, Balaam is usually considered a contemporary of Moses who reportedly turned back from the guided path (link). The following verses layout a general parable but some attribute them to Balaam:

    7:175. And recite to them the news of him to whom We give Our messages, but he withdraws himself from them, so the devil follows him up, and he is of those who perish.

    7:176. And if We had pleased, We would have exalted him thereby; but he clings to the earth and follows his low desire. His parable is as the parable of the dog — if you drive him away, he lolls out his tongue, and if you leave him alone, he lolls out his tongue. Such is the parable of the people who reject Our messages. So relate the narrative that they may reflect.

    7:177. Evil is the likeness of the people who reject Our messages and wrong their own souls.

    The above verses never apply to a prophet and Jesus is just a case in point. As a rule, once a prophet, always a prophet. Given this rule of permanence of prophethood for a prophet during his lifetime, reappearance of Jesus, even if he is alive somewhere will break the seal of prophethood. If Jesus returns in person then for sure he being an independent prophet would be the only ‘Muslim’ outside the domain of Prophet Muhammad’s ummah. On the flip and through some manipulation of polemics, if he is going to be from within the ummah, then he cannot be a prophet, but that cannot happen as discussed before. The following verses expunge any prophet after the final and last prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him):

    7:158. Say: O mankind, surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all…

    34:28. And We have not sent you but as a bearer of good news and as a warner to all mankind, but most people do not know.

    21:107. And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the nations.

    25:1. Blessed is He Who sent down the Criterion upon His servant that he might be a warner to the nations.

    Ref: Holy Quran – Maulana Muhammad Ali, Edited: Dr. Zahid Aziz


  20. April 9th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
    From Naushad Ali:

    Certainly not.  Why don't you publish that dialogue and then ask me the question? Or send me an Email. I can assure you that my reply will be 100% honest.


  21. April 9th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali:

    Have you not been posting (under a different pseudonym) on an anti-Ahmadiyya blog since September 2010?

    Did you not post on it on 22 October 2010 that Ahmadiyyat and Truth are two opposite things and that you have an enormous amount of evidence to prove this?

    Have you not posted on it that you don't believe that Jesus will come again, while also posting that most Muslims are in expectation of his second coming? Here you are telling us that most Muslim rejected Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Well, most Muslims reject you as well!

    Have you not posted on it that you don't regard Pakistan as being an Islamic republic in any sense whatsoever?

    According to some of your beliefs as expressed on that blog, you yourself would be declared a kafir by many Muslims!

    Doesn't your e-mail address appear openly in some of your posts on that blog, where you yourself have included it in the body of those posts?


  22. April 9th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    I would also like to inform blog readers that "Danyal Ahmed", who sent this comment, is the DA with whom I had the e-mail exchange which is the subject of the main post above. I only gave his initials to save any embarrassment for him.

    It now turns out that this person is the same as the one appearing here as Naushad Ali.

    I tried saving the personal self-respect for an anti-Ahmadi activist, but he practised deception in return. Thanks to Allah that this is the moral difference between us!


  23. Hypocrisy, by whomever, wherever, whenever and in whatever shade, unravels under its own weight, and that is a moral law of Allah:

    4:81. And they (- the hypocrites) say (in your presence), `(We stand for) obedience,' but when they sally forth from your presence, a party of them spend the night scheming contrary to what you say, and Allâh is keeping a record of whatever they scheme by night. So turn away from them and put (your) trust in Allâh, and Allâh suffices as a Disposer of affairs.

    29:11. Indeed, Allâh will bring to light those who believe, and He will also reveal the hypocrites.

    Despite of all this, there is hope in repentance:

    4:146-147. Yet such of these (- hypocrites) who turn with sincere repentance and amend (themselves) and hold fast to Allâh and become sincere in their allegiance to Allâh, it is these who are with the believers and Allâh will soon grant these believers a great reward. What Allâh has to do with punishing you if you be grateful (to Him) and believe (in Him). Allâh is Ever-Appreciating, All-Knowing.

    Ref: Quran – Nooruddin


  24. April 10th, 2015 at 9:02 am
    From Naushad Ali:

    I send you all, unconditional love, peace, and trust. May Allah bless you.

    It is a fact that we are all Brothers/Sisters. We can have differences of opinion but no hostility.


  25. April 10th, 2015 at 9:12 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali: Please satisfy my curiosity as to whether you really are 84 or 85 years of age, since you stated in 2010 that you are eighty years old.


  26. April 10th, 2015 at 10:55 am
    From Naushad Ali:

    Dear Dr. zahid, I do not think that we have had any Email contact in 2010. While discussing any issues, age of the participants is irrelevant.


  27. April 10th, 2015 at 11:58 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Dear Mr Naushad Ali: It was on an anti-Ahmadiyya blog that you (using of course another pseudonym) posted a message, dated 16 December 2010, in which you said that as an eighty year old you are giving advice to participants in the discussion to stay away from abusive language and swear words.

    It was under the same pseudonym on that blog that in another post you gave people your e-mail address. Therefore it could only be you.


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