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July 21st, 2017

Truth about the life of Jesus

Someone has submitted a couple of comments under an old thread about the death of Jesus which last received a comment in 2009. So instead of posting them there I am posting them here combined as one comment.

9 Responses to “Truth about the life of Jesus”

  1. July 21st, 2017 at 7:55 pm
    From Hafiz Abdu Samad:

    Truth about the life of Jesus.

    (See this link.)

    All praise is due to Hayi the Omniscient Omnipresent. Peace be upon you all:

    We are only Muslim 22:78. No sects, as Quran says: Sect followers are Khawarij 6:159 and Hell is waiting Sect followers. We beleive that Mohammad(s) is last Prophet of GOD. We are not follower of MGA Qadiani in any shape. But let say Truth: If your enemy says: two plus two makes Four; should we reject his claim only becaz he is our Enemy? No. We should be broadminded Logical and rational.

    People in South Asia especially Mullahs are very narrow-minded people with tunnel vision. Quran is enough for a Muslim 12:111, 16:89, 17:12 and Islamic law is valid only from Quran 6:114, 10:15, 5:44, 6:19. Prophet left behind only written Quran and no any hadith. Hadith Books were concocted 250-800 years after Prophet and that Books are blend of Truth, lies, hearsay, and gossip. We can read all extra-Quranic (39:23) hadiths only as Crude historical Stock and Faith can be built only on "Book of Allah and his Rasool" and that book is none but Noble Quran. Apart from what Mirza GA Qadiani said and apart from what hadiths say; there is tons of PURE historical  multiple evidence with full track of life of Jesus and that all PROVES, Jesus died around 120 years age in Srinagar Kashmir and is buried in Roza Bal. Therefore; hadith that tells: Jesus died at 120, seems CORRECT and VERY CORRECT.

    Regarding "My life will be half of Jesus as mentioned in Hadiths", People could have recorded some words by mistake. In fact Prophet could have meant that my Life will be half from Previous Generation of prophets. There are 4 Human Generations in mankind history as per Life-Span of Humans. In Pre-Flood era, Max age was 960 year (of Matheosaleh). Adam 930 and Noah 950. After Flood GOD cut down it into half and life-span was max 480 years for centuries, then GOD cut 480 further into half and next Generation lived half life of 480 years which mean 240 years for centuries; In Torah GOD told MOSES, I am going to cut human life to 120 max. and 120 is again half of 240. When Jesus died at 120, its half is 60 year which is age of Prophet. There are more than 5 Reports in History Book called Bukhari and that 5 reports mention age of Last Prophet of GOD Mohammad NOT 63 but 60 years. Visit our website to learn tons of More Truth on this subject and also about Compartive Religion in General. Our team has over 40 years continous Research on the life of Jesus and you can consider us as the TOP MOST authority on this subject at present time. Allah Hafiz. Do not miss:

    And Quran makes very clear in 3:144, 3:55, 32:11, 4:158, and 5:117 that Jesus died naturally at old VERY OLD age (see word Kahlan in Quran). He died and then after death, his Soul was Raised (3:55) like all other humans 32:11. Kahlan Kahl, so lazy and aged that cannot even move easily NOT OLD but VERY OLD age.

    Ascension and Return of Jesus story has no trace in ancient hand written bibles of 4th Century. First canonical Gospel of Mark has no any Clue of ascension and return and hoax of virgin birth. We know each word of Quran and Nowhere Quran tells, Jesus was born witout father but our Mullahs twist verses of Quran. Read our special page on "Birth of Jesus". That both Hoaxes were crafted centurues later by Pagan Greek Priests when they translated Gospels from Hebrew to Greek. They translated Hebrew word Alamah (young lady) as Virgin and that became base of hoax of virgin birth. Our Mullahs ignore what Quran says but follow forged hadith in name of Abu Hurairah that Jesus will come and will kill swines and break crosses. All fairy moronic tales. Hadithers who follow fictions of Curch translate word WAFAT in whole Quran as "Cause to die" but when word Wafat appear for Jesus, they do TAHREEF of Quran and translate it as "To take up alive". Truth is: Jesus is dead but Mullahs escape from Truth by blaming MGAQ. We in no way follow MGAQ but Truth is Truth.

  2. July 23rd, 2017 at 4:14 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    @ Brother Hafiz Abdu Samad: "Adam 930 and Noah 950".

    This does NOT mean Hazrat Adam AS and Hazrat Noah AS physically lived for 930 and 950 years respectively. This means their TEACHING (tabligh) survived for so many years. In Pakistan it is said, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto is dead and General Zia ul Haq is alive. Fact is both are dead, but Zia's policies and culture he created is still existing. This makes Zia still alive and Bhutto dead. The reality is that human life expectancy is increasing with development in medicine, and science etc. Hazrat Musa AS nation was forfeited (lose or be deprived of (property or a right or privilege) as a penalty for wrongdoing) for 40 years, from promised land. As it was punishment for that nation. Why 40 years? Because human life expectancy was 40 years. That one generation was punished.

  3. Rashid Jahangiri: They lived mean they were Hayi – Lived. Please do not twist very clearly statements in order to toe ur own agenda. To compare Age of Noah 950 with Example of Bhutoo shows, U are so moron and Ignorant. There is no any rational and logical weight in ur comments at all.

  4. July 27th, 2017 at 5:51 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    The word used in the Quran regarding Noah, when mentioning the 950 years, is labitha or "remained" (29:14).

    On Hafiz Abdu Samad's website (to which he has given a link above), Muhammad Asad's scholarship is, quite rightly, highly commended. Let us see how Asad explains this verse:

    "… "and despite this great length of time was unable to convince them of the truth of his mission". The identical figure – 950 years – is given in the Bible (Genesis ix, 29) as Noah's life-span. By repeating this element of the Biblical legend, the Qur'an merely stresses the fact that the duration of a prophet's mission has nothing to do with its success or failure, since "all true guidance is God's guidance" (3:73) – and, as we are so often told in the Qur'an, "God guides [only] him that wills [to be guided]". Thus, the reference to Noah is meant to reassure the believer who may be distressed at seeing the majority of his fellow-men refuse to accept, all at once, a truth which appears self-evident to him." (Bolding is mine)

    Note Asad's words: "Biblical legend". As to such "legends", Asad gives the following explanation of why they are included in the Quran:

    "…the Qur'an often employs such legends as a vehicle for allegories expressing certain universal ethical truths; and it employs them for the simple reason that even before the advent of Islam they had become so firmly embedded in the poetic memories of the Arabs – the people in whose language the Qur'an was expressed and to whom it was addressed in the first instance – that most of these legends had acquired, as it were, a cultural reality of their own, which made a denial or a confirmation of their mythical origin utterly irrelevant. Within the context of the Qur'an, the only thing that is relevant in this respect is the spiritual truth underlying each one of these legends…" (Note at start of ch. 27; bolding is mine)

  5. July 30th, 2017 at 5:27 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    If Noah's age was 950 years (and according to Maudoodi and others it was at least 1000 years because they say he lived 950 years after starting his mission), the question arises whether his contemporaries had similar life spans or their life spans were the ordinary ones of around a hundred years. In the latter case, it would mean he preached to about ten successive generations, and all these generations saw Noah active and at work. One would think that after two or three such generations had passed away, everyone would have been aware of his miraculous age and accepted him on the basis of that miracle.

  6. August 13th, 2017 at 7:05 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    @Dr. Zahid Aziz:

    "One would think that after two or three such generations had passed away, everyone would have been aware of his miraculous age and accepted him on the basis of that miracle."

    I wonder the disobedient wife and son were from generation?  

  7. August 14th, 2017 at 6:07 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Here is Maulana Maudoodi's footnote to 29:14:

    "This does not mean that the Prophet Noah lived for 950 years, but it means that after his appointment to Prophethood till the coming of the Flood, he went on making efforts for 950 years for the reformation of his wicked people, and he did not lose heart even though he suffered persecutions for such a long time. The same is the aim of the discourse here. The believers are being told: "You have been suffering persecutions and experiencing stubbornness of your wicked opponents hardly for six years or so. Just imagine the patience and resolution and firmness of Our servant who braved such afflictions and hardships continuously for nine and a half centuries."

    The Qur'an and the Bible differ about the age of the Prophet Noah. The Bible says that he lived for 950 years. He was 600 years old when the Flood came, and lived for another 350 years after the Flood. (Gen. 7: 6 and 9: 28-29). But according to the Qur'an, he must have lived for at least a thousand years, because 950 years is the time that he spent in preaching his mission after his appointment to Prophethood till the coming of the Flood. Evidently, he must have been appointed to Prophethood after he had attained his maturity, and must have lived some life after the Flood also.

    For some people such a long life is inconceivable. But in this world of God strange happenings are not rare. Wherever one may look one will see extraordinary manifestations of His power. The occurrence of certain events and things in a usual form and manner is no proof that the event or thing cannot happen in an unusual and extraordinary way. To break these assumptions there exists a long list of unusual events and things that have taken place in every kind of creation in every part of the universe. In particular, the person who has a clear concept of God's being AII-Powerful, cannot be involved in the misunderstanding that it is not possible for God, Who is the Creator of life and death, to grant a life of a thousand years or so to any man. The fact is that man of his own will and wish cannot live even for a moment, but if Allah wills, He can make him live for as long as He pleases." (Link)

  8. August 16th, 2017 at 3:00 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    Maudoodi sahib:

    "But according to the Qur'an, he must have lived for at least a thousand years, because 950 years is the time that he spent in preaching his mission after his appointment to Prophethood till the coming of the Flood. Evidently, he must have been appointed to Prophethood after he had attained his maturity, and must have lived some life after the Flood also."

    This means Prophet Nooh AS's wife must have lived around at least 900 years and his son must have lived around 875 years. Obviously prophet Nooh AS would not have lived bachelor for almost 900 years! Maudoodi sahib perhaps believed everyone in that segmant of human history must be living around 1000 years. 

  9. August 16th, 2017 at 5:42 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Rashid says: "Maudoodi sahib perhaps believed everyone in that segment of human history must be living around 1000 years."

    Then Noah's age cannot be the miracle that it is claimed to be in Maudoodi's last paragraph quoted above. Otherwise, the miracle applied not only to the prophet, but to all his followers and his rejectors as well!

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