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July 31st, 2018

Lahore Ahmadiyya Community and coming of Mujaddids

Abdul Bashir has submitted the following for this blog:

Lahore Ahmadiyya Community Admits a Mujaddid for the 15th Century will not come

https://youtu.be/4BJDTJK7m_k?t=13m35s

Transcription:

And I would say that for as long that as our Jamaat continues to look at its self, and others and carries on, this, system of reform that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Promised Messiah has setup.  Perhaps that there is maybe no need for a Mujaddid to come, because reform is being done

3 Responses to “Lahore Ahmadiyya Community and coming of Mujaddids”

  1. July 31st, 2018 at 3:14 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    Abdul Bashir needs to consult a dictionary of English to find out the meaning of the words "perhaps" and "maybe" used by the speaker in the supplied transcript.

    The speaker is saying that as long as our Jamaat (of the true followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) continues the work of reform after him, on issues that have arisen recently, then there "may be, perhaps" no need for a mujaddid to come. Of course, if we do not or cannot continue that work, or issues arise that cannot be resolved by us with our human knowledge, then that would be time for a mujaddid.

    Abdul Bashir should think about the two issues mentioned by the speaker: firstly, if a woman reports being raped to the police (in a Muslim country), should she herself be charged with admission of adultery, and can DNA evidence be used to determine if the accused man is guilty, or are four eye-witnesses required who saw it happen; and secondly, is it essential to sight the new moon by the human eye to determine Ramadan and Eids.

    The speaker raised the point whether we ourselves can bring about reform in the existing Muslim practices in this regard or do we wait for a mujaddid to come to do so? Abdul Bashir might like to ponder on these two issues and answer whether we should continue to bring Islam into disrepute in the world by our existing practices or can we bring about reform ourselves?


  2. August 5th, 2018 at 1:14 am
    From Abdul Bashir:

    Be it a definitely or a maybe you surely can't agree with having such article's on your sites…http://www.ahmadiyya.org/qadis/94-6.htm?

    The whole premise of that article is that there has to be a Mujaddid.  By even admitting there is a possibility you can no longer have a go at the Ahmadiyya Jamaat.

    Although I disagree with the article but according to your Jamaats belief (and quoting from the article) these "beliefs are the exact opposite of those held by the Promised Messiah."

    But I shouldn't be in wonder by such confused thinking by you.  For in a later article suddenly you decide maybe there is no need for a Mujaddid for the 15th century.

    "Thirdly, the Promised Messiah has called himself Dhul Qarnain, or the man of two centuries, and perhaps the 14th and 15th centuries might be those two centuries, and exceptionally he may be mujaddid for these two centuries"

    Whereas in the earlier article did you not show arguments that the Hazrat Masih Maud believed it was essential for the coming of a Mujaddid in every century?

    What is it, please clear this up for me.  It almost seems that the further we travel in this century the more doubt there is in the minds of your Jamaat about the coming of a Mujaddid


  3. August 5th, 2018 at 10:32 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    It is quite absurd to equate the view that "perhaps" a mujaddid may not come soon with the views of the Qadiani Jamaat about mujaddids which we criticised in our article that Abdul Bashir refers to. (See link.) We quoted the then Qadiani khalifa as saying that the idea of the coming of a mujaddid in the future "is a fitna", which God has now "crushed for all time", and it is "false propaganda". Have we said anything like this now?

    Abdul Bashir says that in our earlier article we had given arguments that the Promised Messiah believed in the coming of a mujaddid in every century. What he should be telling us is whether those arguments were right or wrong! As the Qadiani Jamaat obviously seems to consider that he was wrong in all those numerous statements, they should say so directly! It is the duty of the Qadiani Jamaat to explain those statments. (It is our duty as well, and we have fulfilled it.)

    How and when a mujaddid will come will be determined by Allah, and only then will it be seen in what manner the Promised Messiah's statements which we quoted have turned out to be correct. Before that, we cannot know, just as Muslims didn't know how the coming of the Messiah would be fulfilled till it happened.

    Lastly, he says that as this century passes we have become more doubtful about the coming of a mujaddid. But isn't it true that with the passage of time the Qadiani Jamaat has become doubtful that a prophet will come, and in fact has been trying to quash the idea? They had declared their belief that prophethood was a blessing which had not stopped at the coming of the Holy Porphet Muhammad. Their Khalifa 2 wrote that even if a sword was placed on his neck to force him to say that no prophet can come after the Holy Prophet, he would still say that prophets can come after him, even now, and even thousands of prophets can still come. But not even one prophet came!


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