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Preservation and Arrangement of the Holy Quran

Sunday, August 12th, 2012

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.


Intro: In June 2012 annual conference of Imams of Organization of Imam Waris (Warith) Deen Muhammad was held in North Carolina, USA. Professor Hibbi Omar, Ph.D. (Grandson of Allama Noor ud Din) made presentation on ‘Preservation and Arrangement of the Holy Quran’. On request of one of the attendee Imam he repeated presentation in One Day Educational Conference in Brooklyn, NY in July 2012. A home video was recorded. Because of time constraint he was only able to prove from Holy Quran, its preservation and arrangement. He could not go over the part of presentation on historical evidence of preservation of Holy Quran. Hopefully, next time Professor Omar will control his frequent ‘epiphanies’ and ‘digressions’, and we get to listen his entire presentation. J

Recording is in three parts:
Preservation & Arrangement of the Holy Quran Part 1/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q60Na8u5DTM
Preservation & Arrangement of the Holy Quran Part 2/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUAe4pRliWE&feature=relmfu
Preservation & Arrangement of the Holy Quran Part 3/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWbHcf9c8Sg&feature=relmfu

Lahore Ahmadi elders were lovers of, and loved by, the Promised Messiah — Qadiani leaders’ admission

Wednesday, July 6th, 2011

In a recent comment I referred to a speech by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad in 1925. See: http://www.ahmadiyya.org/qadis/khil2.htm#sp1925. In it, he also stated:

“For the sake of the khilafat we had to make an unparalleled sacrifice. And that was that we sacrificed for its sake the old followers of the Promised Messiah, those who were called his friends, those who had a very close relationship with him. If this religious difference had not arisen between them and ourselves, they would be dearer to us than our own children because they included those who knew the Promised Messiah and those who were his companions.” (bolding is mine.)

In the book Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Mirza Bashir Ahmad (the younger brother) makes the following incidental observation about two Lahore Ahmadi leaders:

Seerat-ul-Mahdi, v. 3, p. 112

“I further add that among those people who stumbled at the second khilafat there were two who, in my opinion, loved the Promised Messiah very greatly during his life, and he too loved them. One was Mirza Yaqub Baig marhoom and the other was Shaikh Rahmatullah marhoom. Regrettably, they stumbled at the death of the first khalifa.” (Seerat-ul-Mahdi, v. 3, p. 112)

At least it is admitted here that during the life of the Promised Messiah the Lahore Ahmadi elders were his close, beloved followers. Yet the Qadiani Jama’at also alleges, elsewhere, that even during the life of the Promised Messiah these people were hypocrites and weak-hearted!

We suggest that it was their love for the Promised Messiah, which they displayed all through his life, which led to their so-called “stumbling” in 1914!

From ‘Dawn’: Bhutto’s constitutional concessions only emboldened the religious zealots

Monday, July 6th, 2009

I was interested to read this column in the Dawn.

I quote from it:

“Though in private, Bhutto accused the Islamic parties of being ‘anti-socialist American stooges,’ in public he went along with some of his advisers’ counsel and declared the Ahmadiyya community non-Muslim, naively believing this concession would appease and contain his Islamist opponents. The truth is, the Islamists were only emboldened by this gesture.”

Hazrat Mirza sahib invites Hindus to accept Prophet Muhammad

Saturday, November 8th, 2008

In December 1907 a lecture written by Hazrat Mirza sahib was presented at a conference organised by the Arya Samaj in Lahore. It is included in his book Chashma-i Ma`rifat, and was also translated into English and published in The Review of Religions at the time. I am providing here a link to a couple of pages from it in pdf format (best viewed at 100% size in Adobe Reader):

Urdu, from Ruhani Khazain, v. 23, pages 384-385.

English translation, from The Review of Religions, January 1908, p. 12-13.

What is noteworthy is that Hazrat Mirza sahib invites Hindus to accept the Kalima of Islam and the Holy Prophet Muhammad. He says to them: As we are prepared to accept your prophets as true on the basis of the teaching of the Quran, in return you should accept our Prophet as true. But if his own claim is also that of being a prophet, why doesn’t he ask them to accept him?

After all, although it is the teaching of the Quran that prophets appeared in all nations and that Muslims must accept them, that teaching is being put forward by Hazrat Mirza sahib, and not by Muslims generally. It is Hazrat Mirza sahib who has especially applied this teaching to recognising the Hindu avatars and rishis as prophets. But he doesn’t say: My movement accepts your rishis as prophets, so you should accept our prophets, including me, in fact, especially me!

This clearly shows that his mission was not to invite people to accept him as prophet, but to invite them to accept the Holy Prophet Muhammad through the Kalima.

The English extract above ends with the words:

“Therefore all we desire of you is that you should believe in the truth of our scriptures and prophets in the same manner as we believe in the truth of your scriptures and prophets.”

And “our prophets” does not seem to include Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

1974 Pakistan National Assembly proceedings

Thursday, October 9th, 2008

Our esteemed friend Rashid Jahangiri has submitted the following.


Closed door session of Pakistan National Assembly.

Many new generation of Mullah opponents of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement (LAM), and Qadianis, refuse to accept that 1974 National Assembly trial of LAM, that resulted in declaring LAM members as non-muslim and enacted 2nd constitutional amendment to 1973 Pakistan’s Constitution, was held in close doors and press/media were not allowed to report the proceedings.

Here is quote from Dawn newspaper:

“The first such secret joint sitting was convened in 1974 by then-prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to discuss the situation after anti-Qadiani riots, which led to a constitutional amendment that declared the Qadianis, or Ahmedis, outside the pale of Islam.”

Ref: ‘Military to share secrets with MPs’ The Dawn Internet edition, October 08, 2008.

Link: http://dawn.com/2008/10/08/top1.htm

Question:
What was national security issue that warranted ‘Secret joint setting’?
Answer: NONE.

Blog till end of May

Tuesday, May 13th, 2008

From now till the end of May, I will have very limited opportunity to operate this blog.

So for this period I have turned off the submission of comments by our esteemed contributors till 2nd June or so.

In place of the usual comment box, you will see a message saying: You must be logged in to post a comment. This means it can’t be done.

Zahid Aziz

Sayyid Ahmad Barelvi, like John the Baptist

Sunday, November 4th, 2007

In another brief item in Badr of 7th November 1907, Hazrat Mirza sahib is reported as saying:

“Just as before Jesus, the prophet John the Baptist was martyred while preaching the oneness of God, similarly before me in this very land of Punjab Sayyid Ahmad was martyred while preaching the message of the oneness of God. This was another similarity, which God fulfilled.”

Hazrat Mirza sahib bore likeness to Jesus. That was the basis of his claim to be Promised Messiah. Here he states that Sayyid Ahmad Barelvi (d. 1831) in the same way bore likeness to John the Baptist, who is known in the Quran as the prophet Yahya. If Hazrat Mizra Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah then Sayyid Ahmad Barelvi was his forerunner, his John the Baptist. This clearly shows that a religious leader among the Muslims can bear likeness to a prophet of the past without himself being a prophet, since no one considers Sayyid Ahmad Barelvi to be a prophet.