“and what about the Punjab holacoust that took place during Mirzas time did Mirza ever mention any of this in his 80+ books he wrote ? an estimate of about 10 million people died as a result”.

When did this happen!

Ikram: Regarding the Holy Prophet’s wife Safiyya, I included the following in my book Islam, Peace and Tolerance:

Once Hazrat Hafsah derogatorily called her “daughter of a Jew”. When the Prophet heard of this, he said to Safiyya that she should have replied by saying:

“How can you be better than me when my husband is Muhammad, my father is Aaron, and my uncle is Moses.” (Tirmidhi)

The Holy Prophet then reprimanded Hafsa by telling her: “Fear God”. Hafsa was daughter of the highly-distinguished Umar, the second senior-most follower of the Prophet, and she belonged to the same tribe as the Holy Prophet. But the Prophet here indicates that while Hafsa was related to one prophet, Safiyya was not only his wife but had, in addition, the prophet Aaron as a father and the prophet Moses as a paternal uncle due to her Jewish descent. In Muslim belief she was connected to at least three prophets. This is the retort she should have given, the Holy Prophet advised her, to those proud Arabs who styled her as daughter of a Jew and boasted about themselves being from among the relatives of the Prophet himself.

These people believe that if you publish dirt, it will stick, no matter how false the allegations and how strongly they are disproved. When one reads the blatant falsehood these people knowingly write, one realises that the words used by Hazrat Mirza sahib against such vile opponents are perfectly applicable.

An example of Shahin’s falsehood is that he has submitted a reply to Rashid’s point, as to why Muslims are allowed to marry Jewish and Christian women, saying: “if study carefully the islamic history then u will see that even the Sahabas who married woman of the Ahle Kitab later they had to divorce these woman, why ?”

This is absolutely false.

He also says: “u are suppose to teach them to learn about islam then they would accept islam in the end”.

Again, it is absolutely false to say that their Muslims husbands are required to convert them to Islam. In fact, the husbands are required to give them freedom to practise their religion. That they may accept Islam is a different matter.

These people can only get away with such total lies because they are anonymous. A known, identifiable anti-Ahmadiyya zealot would never dare say this because he would be rightly accused of perverting the teachings of Islam.

A person needs to be a decent human before s/he can attain a status of a Muslim.

The man was puzzled and asked, How could I ever try to be God? Hazrat Maulana replied: When something happens against your will and you are displeased by it, you are trying to be God because He is the only one against Whose will nothing can happen.

The man asked: And how could I ever try to the messenger of God? Hazrat Maulana replied: When someone opposes you, and you feel frustrated that God does not destroy him for opposing you, then you are trying to be a man sent by God because it is only in their case that all their opponents are destroyed.

It is very sad to hear news of passing away of Sheikh Muhammad Syed Tantawi.
More than before moderate, rational and peaceful scholars of Islam, like him, are desperately needed to guide millions of today’s misguided Muslims. May Allah grant him reward for taking stand against all opposition of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. May Allah grant him final abode in paradise and patience to his survivors. Ameen.

So, according to Shahin and his anti-Ahmadiyya supporters, these rulers are not “real” (haqiqi) Muslims. The issue it resolves is this. When we, the Lahore Ahmadis, say that we regard other Muslims as Muslims, they retort against us: “But you don’t regard us as real Muslims”. This was also, I believe, raised against us in the 1974 Pakistan National Assembly hearings.

Now we learn from Shahin that Muslim rulers of the above character (e.g. Z.A. Bhutto) are not real Muslims! So instead of accusing and trying to trap Lahore Ahmadis by asking about “real” Muslims, our accusers should obtain a fatwa from Shahin and co. about whether they are real Muslims.