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May 10th, 2011

Govt of India Documentary on Jesus in Kashmir!

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib said, if Eisa AS (Jesus)’s grave is excavated, some evidence to prove it to be his (Jesus) grave will be found. I hope some day, DNA analysis from Roza-Mubarik (grave) of Eisa AS can be done. Anyways, here is a documentary on him available on youtube:

7 Responses to “Govt of India Documentary on Jesus in Kashmir!”

  1. There are close parallels between the verses in Quran about Jesus and the historical facts brought forth in the youtube link at the beginning of this thread:
    Firstly, Jesus was wise at a very young age:

    5:110. (Again imagine) when Allâh said, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My blessing upon you and upon your mother, how I strengthened you with the holy revelation. You spoke to the people (when you were) in the cradle and when of old age, and how I taught you the Scripture and the wisdom and the Torah and the Evangel,… [Youtube link gives a similar description of early age of Jesus between early teens through twenty-eighth year of his life while he was traveling in India]
    Secondly, Jesus did not die on the cross:

    4:157. And because of their (falsely) claiming,‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the (false) Messenger of Allâh,’ whereas they killed him not, nor did they cause his death by crucifixion, but he was made to them to resemble (one crucified to death). Verily, those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) confusion about it. They have no definite knowledge of the matter but are only following a conjecture. They did not kill him, this much is certain (and thus could not prove the Christ as accursed).
    Thirdly, Jesus is an exalted person in history:

    4:158. Rather Allâh exalted him with all honour to His presence. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

    Fourthly, none of the people of (or through) the Scripture believe in life of Jesus after crucifixion. Hence, it had to be a person of Quran to undo this myth supported by historical facts i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

    4:159. And there is none from among the people of the Scripture (- the Jews and the Christians) but most certainly will believe in this (incident, that Jesus died on the cross) before his death, (while as a matter of fact they have no sure knowledge about Jesus dying on the cross). And on the Day of Resurrection he (- Jesus) will be a witness against them.

    3:54. And they (- the persecutors of Jesus) planned (to crucify him) and Allâh planned (to save him) and Allâh is the best of the planners.

    Fifthly, every person has to die. So did Jesus and Mary, as confirmed by their graves in the above youtube link:

    3:55. (RECALL the time) when Allâh said, ‘O Jesus! I will cause you to die a natural death, and will exalt you to Myself and I will clear you of the unchaste accusations of those who disbelieve…
    Finally, in a nutshell the youtube documentary is summarized by the following verse:

    23:50. And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, (and a model of virtue), and We gave them both refuge upon a worth-living lofty plateau abounding in (green and fruitful) valleys and springs of running water. [Note the key word “refuge” i.e. the final destination of the escape]
    While Jesus is a sign of virtue, Pharaoh is a sign of vice in Quran. The end of Pharaoh Merneptah son of Ramses-II is depicted in Quran in the following verses:

    10:90. And We brought the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his legion pursued them in wanton aggression and for no justified cause till when he (Pharaoh) was about to be drowned, he cried, ‘I (confess and) believe that there is no one worthy of worship but He in Whom the Children of Israel have believed in, and I am of those who submit (to Him).’

    10:91. (The Lord) said, ‘What! (do you remember) now (while dying), whereas you had (always) disobeyed before (this), and you had been of the miscreants!

    10:92. ‘So, on this day We will preserve you in your body (only) that you may be a sign (to learn a lesson from) for the coming generations,
    These verses and the historical discoveries reinforce the basic principle that even though Quran is not a book of history, it is in step with history.
    By its very definition a sign is either to be witnessed or experienced. Now, with above historical facts we can testify to these two signs spread across the morality spectrum, i.e. Jesus+Mary on one end and Pharaoh on the other, one a sign of virtue and other of vice.
    Quran is also cognizant of some of us when it states at the end of the last verse above:

    10:92. ‘…though most of the people are quite heedless of Our .’

  2. May 12th, 2011 at 8:50 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    The migration of a prophet to another place, to save himself from persecution (and in some cases his followers also), is not an unexpected thing; in fact, it was quite usual, as in the cases of Moses and the Holy Prophet Muhammad.

  3. May 16th, 2011 at 5:39 am
    From Dil Sooz:

    In recent past Israel has officially taken a whole tribe of non Hebrew speaking people from India as they were Jewish. A little before events of 911 A&Echannel released a documentary titled ” Quest for lost tribes” which basically says the same about advent of Jewish tribes from Jerusalem to Afghanistan & Kashmir.
    National best seller novel ” cutting for stone” author who happens to be from south India and Christian also writes that Christians were practicing there faith for thousands of years.
    In fact 1st church was built in year 40 AD. There has been overwhelming research with modern methods coming out these days on this important issue. Let’s hope for an adult discussion on this issue

  4. August 1st, 2011 at 5:12 am
    From Rev. B. Singh Dogra:

    I would like to respose above, let me say that what is being quoted is even against the Quran saying. Let me which will be authentic, “the saying of Gaberial A=Arch Angel of God almighty or yours” is your authority above the saying of Arch angel. “Act. 1:9-12, says that when Jesus was taken to heaven angel appeared to solace the bereaved disciples and said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this Jesus, which is taken up from you unto heaven, shall so come in llike manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” this is saying of Arch-Angel Gabriel.
    Quran says SurA Maryam 30-34, “And she pointed to him and they said,”how can are we to speak with one who is in the cradle a child? He said (cradle) …and peace upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised up alive.”
    He is fromgod and died in Jerusalem which was appointed by God (Allah) and raised again third say as was sign given in Toreh, he is coming agian. When he return there shall be Qiyamat and final adalat. So blessed is he who has come from God to teach ways of God to humankind.

  5. August 1st, 2011 at 8:45 am
    From Zahid Aziz:

    The same Sura, Maryam, says earlier about John the Baptist:

    “And We granted him wisdom when a child, And kind-heartedness from Us and purity. And he was dutiful, And kindly to his parents, and he was not insolent, disobedient. And peace on him the day he was born and the day he died, and the day he is raised to life.” (19:12-15)

    These words are of God Who is speaking here.

    This “raising to life” mentioned here applies to all the righteous according to the Quran. It is being raised to life in the hereafter, in a state of peace.

  6. Dear Rev. Dogra: With due respect I state my following dilemma.

    I as a consumer of physical and spiritual modalities that life has to offer, why do I use all my intelligence when I seek mundane things in life e.g. a shirt, a tie, a pair of shoes? Chances are that I will do comparative shopping, sample all that is on the shelf, ask for my friends for advice etc. and only then I will spend my limited resources of time and money for something which will either perish in its use or go out of fashion that it will rot in my closet.

    Now, on the flip side, why does one not use one’s intelligence at par in analysis, reflection and contemplation in spiritual domain when one is choosing the most important and relevant entity commonly known as God, while knowing the fact that there are lot of representations of God to choose from? How does one distinguish a mythology from a real guidance?

    All religions deal with the present life and the hereafter. Hereafter is something no one has witnessed to share his experience with us. Its representations are only in a metaphor. To understand that metaphor, one has to make deductions from our lives. Thus the real money is in the present which has to appeal to our sensibilities else it will be non-nonsensical. My sense tells me that I as a human, if I want to learn how to train for a sprint, I will hire a human coach, but never a horse, even though a horse runs faster. If guidance has to be conveyed to a man like me, it logically has to come via a human prophet and not by an angel, son of God or God himself, which I cannot relate to. If I have a toothache, a doctor can definitely help me by his advice and treatment, but he cannot cure me by assuming my pain. I as a Muslim am duty bound to seek any contradiction in my faith. Can you say the same.

  7. HMGA in his book ‘Masih Hindustan Mein’ (Jesus in India) writes that in matters of religion Sikhs are more intelligent than Christians. He writes that Christians hold belief that Jesus brought back to life physically dead people. And Sikhs hold belief that Baba Guru Nanak brought back to life a physically dead elephant. Now as humans can speak in a language that other humans can understand. Where as elephants don’t speak to humans. So when Christians face a question that how come those people whom Jesus brought back to life after a physical death never told others about their journey to next life, Christians have no answer. Where as no one can put the same question to Sikhs that how come the elephant that was brought back to life by Guru Nank did not give details of his journey to next life.
    Some times it is better to be a Sikh than a Christian 😉

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