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September 8th, 2015

Does Pakistan Government New Law Applies on Qadianis (i.e. Mehmudis) and Pakistani Muslims?

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri

I read an interesting new statement by Pakistan’s Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan:

“State will take action against those calling others infidels: Nisar”

Dawn online/ September 7, 2015:

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Monday said the state will now take action against those calling others kafir (non-Muslim), adding that the government had already tackled hate speech and glorification of terrorists in the first phase.

My question: Does interior minister have the courage to take action against Mehmudis (those qadianis who hold belief that QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was “Musleh Mahud”) and Pakistani Muslim opponents of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movment?

7 Responses to “Does Pakistan Government New Law Applies on Qadianis (i.e. Mehmudis) and Pakistani Muslims?”

  1. September 8th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
    From Mohammed Iqbal:

    @Rashid Jahangiri Sahib,

    Re your quote " Mehmudis (those qadianis who hold belief that QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was “Musleh Mahud”)". Wonder if there are Qadiaani groups who don't consider QK2 as 'Musleh Mau'ood'.

  2. September 9th, 2015 at 5:27 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    @ Mohammed Iqbal sahib,

    Yes brother there were people living in Qadian and later in Rabwah who did NOT believe QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was "Musleh Mahud". Prominent among them were their scholars, translators of Holy Quran, such as Malik Ghulam Fareed sahib, Maulvi Sher Ali sahib, and Abdul Manan Omar sahib. There were others too. These people had the same situation as Sahaba Akram of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWS, who worked in the offices of administration of Yazeed bin Muawiyah (also called 'Yazeed-e-Paleed' by HMGA). I am sure there must be people even now among Qadianis who do NOT hold belief that QK2 was "Musleh Mahud". 

  3. @Rashid Jahangiri

    Stop telling lies: both Hadhrat Maulvi Sher Ali ra and  Malik Ghulam Farid sb believed in Hadhrat Musleh Maud ra as Khalifatul Masih II and were his ardent followers. My aunt is Maulvi Sher Ali's granddaughter and the only reason why some of Maulvi Sher Ali's children distanced themselves from the Jamaat temporarily (although they remained Chanda donors throughout their lives) was because of their love for their sister married Abdul Manan sb who later betrayed the Jamaat.

    Please stop the HPP propoganda, its main component was a crazy, self serving snob. Infact, Chaudhry Ghulam Rasool's brother was married to my grandmothers aunt, they are all very devout Ahmadis and some are even Waqfe Zindagi.

    @Zahid Aziz is this the Lahore Ahmadiyya blog or the HPP blog?

  4. Dear Saad sahib: People are free to contribute different opinions here, within limits of decent language and proper behaviour. Being the Lahore Ahmadiyya blog does not mean that only Lahore Ahmadiyya views may be expressed here. It means that I, as admin, and my like-minded friends will answer questions about the LAM, and respond to objections against it, that anyone may raise here.

  5. September 14th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    @Saad sahib:

    Please personally ask Prof. Dr. Khalid Omar (son of late Abdul Manan Omar sahib):

    What Malik Ghulam Farid, while on his death bed, told him regarding his belief on claim of "Musleh Mahud" by QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad.

    Please ask what his (Dr. Khalid Omar) mother (daughter of Maulvi Sher Ali) told him regarding her father belief on claim of "Musleh Mahud" by QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad.

    Please ask what his (Dr. Khalid Omar) father (late Abdul Manan Omar sahib) use to say about QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad.

    Please ask him (Dr. Khalid Omar) what kind of belief his brother in-law (son of Mufti Muhammad Sadiq) held about QK2, in later part of his life.

  6. @Rashid Jahangiri sahib

    Dr. Khalid Omar sb is not a reliable source, let me give you an example, according to you on this forum Khalid sb said the following:

    "Mirza Tahir Ahmad went over the plan in which operation was to be conducted by Qadiani students, in which they were to wear turbans (like worn by Qadiani Khalifa 3,4, 5) carry 303 rifles, and containers of gasoline (patrol), run on two sides of street in famous market Anarkali Bazaar, Lahore and torch the bazaar"

    Now a large number of my family members have gone to UET including my father and a few have even been heads of their respective departments there. Not one of my relatives can recall this event and not one of them has heard of this plan from any second hand source. Now, what I have heard from them again and again, was that the khalifas would always discourage Ahmadis from playing an active part in the political scene etc. Hudhur also met with prominent Ahmadi student leaders to discourage but many did not take heed including my uncle but backed out a little.

    So Khalid sahib has no crediblity in my eyes.


    Now on to Hadhrat Maulvi Sher Ali ra, Khalid sbs mother was not his only child. He had another daughter, and 2 sons from my memory. One of the sons was a doctor and my mother just met his daughter at the Canadian Jalsa and she is a very pious and devout Ahmadi. My aunts father who every one called Mian sb lived on the family's Zameen in Burewala always swore that only reasoned he was distanced from Khilafat was that he at the time was hurt by harsh punishment of Mannan sb and he blamed various 'shrarti' or trouble makers in the Jamaat for his rift and even Mannan sbs rift. He also talked aout Maulvi sb legacy kept him from fully disconnecting and joining the Lahore group Another daughter of Maulvi Sb was married to who was either married to Chaudhry Fateh Muhammad Sial or his son would also attest to Maulvi sbs loyalty to Jamaat and her descendants are very active in Jammat.


    Hadhrat Malik Ghulam Farid's ra Family is all Ahmadi as far as I know, which makes your statement illogical, Malik sb a hypocrite if it is true (naoozubillah), plus being narrated by Khalid Omar sb  its unreliable to begin with and look at what I found on Malik family:

    "A special favour by Mirza Nasir to the family of Abdul Mannan Omar: Bibi Amtul Rahman (deceased) was like a sister to my mother and considered my mother like an elders sister.  Once, a Rabwah woman met Bibi in a wedding and Bibi asked this woman to convey a special message to her elder sister.  The message was: ‘Recently, I was very worried about a match for my daughter as I did not want her to be married among non-Ahmadis (Muslims) nor among Paighamis (Lahori Ahmadis).  Allah had mercy on us and Mirza Nasir, out of his great favour and kindness, arranged a match for her with the son of Malik Ghulam Fareed.  With the grace of God, she is married now.  Mirza Nasir has bestowed a special favour on us.  Please convey this message to my elder sister.’  My mother told this story to me many times, wsalam, Malik Safiullah Khan, Toronto, Canada.”

    Interesting Note: Mannan sb never did bait to any Lahori Emir and if he was a Lahori he was never made the Emir of the Lahore Jamaat even though he represented the Lahoris in th NA.


    I cannot say anything about Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Sadiq's son, as I dont no much if anything about him

  7. September 18th, 2015 at 3:01 am
    From Rashid Jahangiri:

    @Saad sahib:

    You question Dr. Khalid Omar testimony, just because you do not have some other reporter’s testimony. On the other hand you have great admiration and respect for Qadiani Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad. You have NO problem in accepting his testimony of 200 MILLION CONVERSIONS TO MEHMUDISM that includes 80 MILLION MEHMUDI CONVERSIONS IN INDIA ALONE. Can you provide any official, reliable, impartial, NON-MEHMUDI SOURCE TO SUPPORT QK4 MTA TESTIMONY???

    I will definitely take Dr. Khalid Omar testimony.

          2.     Once QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad daughter, niece of late marhoom Abdul Manan Omar sahib, bibi Amtual-Rashid in conversation, with late Amtual-Rehman Omar  sahiba (Mrs. Manan Omar sahib),  mentioned about “knowledge” of QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad, in comparison to late amir of LAM Maulana Sadar-ud-Din sahib.  Amtual-Rehman Omar sahiba said to her, “Stop here. Tell me did not your father do ZINA (incest) with you??? You’re comparing that ZANI (adulterer) with Maulana Sadar-ud-Din??? How dare you.” Of course bibi Amtul-Rashid was quite after that.  If you don’t believe me ask Dr. Khalid Omar sahib to take oath on Holy Quran and testify it. I was told this by late Abdul Manan Omar sahib.

    3. For Your information: Prof. Dr. Krishan Malik son of Malik Ghulam Farid sahib, is son in-law of Abdul Manan Omar sahib and Amtul-Rehman Omar sahiba. They would NOT have married their daughter to Mailk Ghulam Farid sahib’ son, if Malik Ghulam Farid sahib held Mehmudi belief (i.e. QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was “Musleh Mahud”).

    4. Late Abdul Manan Omar sahib NEVER did ba’it of QK2 or Maulana Sadr-ud-Din sahib. Abdul Manan Omar always held belief that he was Ahmadi by birth, so need to do ba’it. Abdul Manan Omar sahib NEVER wanted to be Khalifa in Qadiani Jamaat or Amir in LAM. These appointments meant nothing to him. As far as LAM representation is concerned, I have mentioned on this forum repeatedly HE DID NOT WANT TO REPRESENT LAM IN PAKISTAN NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. He even refused late Maulana Sadr ud Din sahib. Only reason he did represent LAM is that late Abdul Rehman Misri sahib said to him: “ My relation to you is of a father [FYI: wife of late Abdul Rehman Misri sahib had wet nursed Abdul Manan Omar sahib], so I order you in that status.” To this order Abdul Manan Omar sahib could not refuse.

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