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If Ahmadis were British agents, how did the following happen?

Thursday, January 28th, 2016

This is the question I pose: How then did this happen which is described in this link?

Remember that in this account, Maulana Sadr-ud-Din was talking to General Sir Alfred Keogh, Director-General of the War Office, London, and General Sir Edmund Barrow, Military Secretary at the War Office. How did Maulana Sadr-ud-Din so boldly and bluntly put to these high and mighty generals the case for proper funeral rites and burial or cremation in England for Indian soldiers according to their religions? And note the great concern he showed for Muslim soldiers, for their treatment in military hospitals, and for proper Islamic janaza and burial for the dead conducted by himself.

Just in these incidents, Maulana Sadr-ud-Din did more for Muslims than the entire Pakistan National Assembly of 1974 ever did. And this was the Assembly in front of which he had to appear (aged 92 years) to prove that he was a Muslim!

Zahid Aziz

Page from history: Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement Berlin Mosque

Wednesday, January 27th, 2016

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.

In Dawn online January 27, 2016 there is a blog article 'How  a Muslim-Jewish Romance Shapped One of India's Biggest Pharma Giants'.

Here is info that i like to share with readers:

One day in 1925, Hamied joined some friends on a lake cruise near Berlin. One of the passengers on the boat was a young woman named Luba Derczanska. Luba was born in Wilno in Russian Poland (now Vilnius, Lithuania) and had come to Berlin to study. From their first meeting, the romance between Abdul Hamied and Luba Derczanska blossomed.

In 1928, Hamied married Luba in Berlin’s only mosque, and the following year they were again married in the Choral Synagogue in Wilno and the marriage was “solemnised” at a Register Office in London.

Link to Dawn article

Review: How Pakistan Abandoned Its Minorities

Monday, January 18th, 2016

Here at this link is a review of the book Purifying the Land of the Pure: Pakistan's Religious Minorities written by Farahnaz Ispahani.

Zahid Aziz.

“Few questions against your propaganda of jamat e Ahmadiyya”

Tuesday, January 5th, 2016

An e-mail with the above subject line was received at our website e-mail account.

Dear all ,

I am an ahmadi muslim , wish to ask you few questions that from your site I got the info that you are against the current Ahmadiyya leadership of Khalifa as he wants a blind obedience of his order, don't you think its a very natural and obvious that if you are under a jamat you have to follow the rules and regulations of it and its quiet obvious that those rules must be made by the khalifa of jamat only .

           At the time of Muhammad (sa:) his followers undoubtedly follow him and never asked any question against his leadership and this is the true spirit of islam . The followers of true islam will never ask a single question on His leadership as the leader and his guidance is divine and not made in the world as the decision is taken at the sky and its not his own mental decision but the decision of Allah is getting circulated by him as the Jamat is not a organisation by some learned people well organised by a team but it is the team of Allah Himself .

           We Ahmadis are  the blessed one who undoubtedly accepted the Masiha Imam Mahedi and I find your organisation is lucky enough that you have accepted the Imam Mahadi but I feel sad seeing that your organization again left behind by disagreeing with Khalifa and his authority as said by Imam mahedi that some branches of my tree(jamat) will be dried and fallen  down .

          I want to oppose on your statement that Ahmadis  said all are Kafir except them , we never declared or given fatwa to  anyone as Kafir and we do believe in kalema LA ILAHA ILALLAH HU MAHAMADUR RASULULLAH and we never said and believe less than it or more than it .

           On your site you people said you are like other muslims believe in Qur'an and prophet Muhammad we do believe the same and we have accepted the Imam mahedi and the divine Khilafat to rescue the whole world till the last and lead our lives according to His guidance .

        I feel there are two types of muslims in the world one is Ahmadi who obey the Khalifa and other who don't obey the Ahmadiyya Jamat and its Khalifa .
         I pray that all of us may receive hedayet of Allah .

Khaksar ,
Ataul Monem Ahmad 

Qadiani Jamaat presents Lahore Ahmadis beliefs to Americans

Monday, January 4th, 2016

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.

I am sure Mehmudis present Lahori-Ahmadis beliefs to American.

In recent weeks Mehmudis (Qadianis who believe QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was “Musleh Mahud”) have started outreach to Americans to remove misconceptions about Islam. In their presentations and conversations they must be presenting “their” beliefs. I am sure the only beliefs that can keep them within fold of Islam and acceptable to Americans as true presentation of Islam are Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement beliefs.

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, based on his ilham, had foretold us that how his biological progeny will go astray in matters of their beliefs and character, but finally will correct their wrong ways. With Mehmudis presentation of LAM beliefs as THEIR belief, I see initial sign of fulfillment of HMGA prediction. I pray for fulfilment of this prediction sooner than later. Ameen.

PM of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif Mentioned All Minorities with Exception of Ahmadis. Does he considers Ahmadis among Muslims?

Thursday, November 12th, 2015

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.

For purposes of law and administration Ahmadis are non-Muslim minority in Pakistan. Today Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif addressed a Hindus gathering on occasion of their religious festival of Diwali. His gesture was highly appreciated in news media. Commentators praised and used words such as this is what founder of Pakistan wanted, and today his speech reminds us of vision of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah. At the same time comparison between NS and Narendra Modi were drawn. Comparisons were drawn to highlight how tolerant and caring for minorities Pakistani PM is versus Indian PM. Fine. I agree so far. But question is whether PM NS is himself a fair person and Pakistani society is fair society that gives PM confidence to speak fairly in his speech? PM NS while presenting himself as PM of ALL of Pakistanis mentioned names of all minorities in Pakistan i.e. Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, and Parsis EXCEPT Ahmadis. I don’t think PM was counting Ahmadis among Muslims, rather reality is that he could NOT even verbally say that he considers himself PM of Pakistani Ahmadis too. What a height of intolerance in Pakistan.

Please watch following video clip at 00:28:55

Mirza Mahmud Ahmad’s speech in January 1913 saying only those are kafir who brand Ahmadis as kafir

Tuesday, October 20th, 2015

During the period of Headship of Hazrat Maulana Nur-ud-Din, when Mirza Mahmud Ahmad returned from performing the Hajj to Makkah, some welcome meetings were held for him in Qadian. One such meeting, attended by the Hazrat Maulana, was held on 14th January 1913, and was organized by the pupils of the Ahmadiyya religious school. At the request of the gathering Mirza Mahmud Ahmad made a speech about his journey. This event, along with the speech, is reported in Badr, 30 January 1913, pages 17-18.

In this speech he mentioned various questions and objections that he encountered from people during the journey and his answers to them. He relates one of these as follows:

"Then a man raised the objection that the Holy Prophet has said that in every century there will be a group in his Ummah who will receive salvation, but you (i.e., Ahmadis) say that after the Companions till today all Muslims have been kafir as they believed that Jesus is alive. I replied to him that we do not call non-Ahmadis as kafir because of their believing in Jesus to be alive. We call them kafir because they call the followers of Mirza sahib, who are Muslims, as kafir. Therefore, under the Holy Prophet's order, we call them kafir because they call Muslims as kafir." (p. 18, column 2)

This speech was, of course, made almost two years after his well-known article of April 1911, in which he declared all other Muslims to be kafir, all those who "decline to accept his claims", "even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues".

See the image of this part of the speech below.


The image of the complete report in Badr can be read in pdf format at this link. The report begins in the 3rd column of the first page (p. 17). I have marked appropriate points by red lines.

Anti-Ahmadiyya group claims victory for Qadiani Jamaat against LAM in Shimla debate of 1915

Thursday, October 15th, 2015

Earlier this month I received an e-mail sent by Mr Akber A. Choudhry to a list of people including me. It pointed us to his website (I say "his website" because the link he sent carries his personal copyright notice at the bottom) where a Qadiani Jamaat publication has been uploaded containing the proceedings of a debate between Qadiani Jamaat and Lahore Ahmadiyya representatives at Shimla (formerly spelt as Simla).

In this debate each party put forward its arguments before an impartial, non-Ahmadi Muslim arbitrator as to its interpretation of the claims of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The arbitrator's verdict, printed in this book, is presented to show that he ruled that the Qadiani explanation of his claim, that he claimed to be a prophet, was correct.

I sent a preliminary reply to Mr Akber A. Choudhry's e-mail, but he gave no response. I have now compiled an article on the subject at this link.

I wonder if he will care to respond (I am sending him a link to this blog post).

His webpage says: "These proceedings represents the closest we will get to the original positions and it includes many very interesting references and interpretations."

This statement shows the gross ignorance which we have come to expect from anti-Ahmadiyya websites. The "references and interpretations" in these proceedings can be found extensively in Qadiani and LAM literature, including on the Qadiani and LAM websites, and were a matter of common discussion for decades.

Zahid Aziz

Fulfillment of revelation of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Thursday, September 24th, 2015

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.

In life of HMGA, news of Marxist movement in Russia was reaching India. In that time HMGA had ilham (divine revelation) that Islam will spread in Russia, and its followers will be like grains of sand. On the surface it did not make sense, as Marxists were preaching against following of religion of any kind. Maulana Noor-ud-Din sahib asked HMGA, “You’re saying Islam will spread in Russia and events are progressing against it”. HMGA replied, “Don’t worry. Slate is being cleaned. Color [of Islam] will hold fast”. Anyways, history is witness Marxist movement culminated into a Bolshevik revolution in 1917, and then world saw the brutal communist rule for next 70 years. In this era all religions including Islam was suppressed with iron fist. New mosques were not allowed to be constructed. Except the few that could be counted on finger tips, mosques were closed. Muslim prayers and rituals were closely monitored. Today almost 100 years later, Russia’s powerful president Putin inaugurates the largest mosque in Europe. Allah-O-Akbar.

LIVE: Putin opens Moscow’s biggest mosque

On this inauguration congratulations to all Muslims of the world and especially to those who respect HMGA.

Eid Mubarak to all readers.

Does Pakistan Government New Law Applies on Qadianis (i.e. Mehmudis) and Pakistani Muslims?

Tuesday, September 8th, 2015

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri

I read an interesting new statement by Pakistan’s Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan:

“State will take action against those calling others infidels: Nisar”

Dawn online/ September 7, 2015:

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Monday said the state will now take action against those calling others kafir (non-Muslim), adding that the government had already tackled hate speech and glorification of terrorists in the first phase.

My question: Does interior minister have the courage to take action against Mehmudis (those qadianis who hold belief that QK2 Mirza Mehmud Ahmad was “Musleh Mahud”) and Pakistani Muslim opponents of Lahore Ahmadiyya Movment?