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Florida Church Plans ‘Burn a Quran’ Day to Mark 9/11

Saturday, July 31st, 2010

Submitted by Ikram.

Florida Church Plans ‘Burn a Quran’ Day to Mark 9/11 – The Christian Post.

If we analyze the above linked news article, it highlights the following:

Hate masqueraded as protest:
“We only did it because we felt there needed to be an outcry against Islam, because Islam is presenting itself as a religion of peace,” explained Dr. Terry Jones, senior pastor of Dove World Outreach Center, to The Christian Post on Tuesday.

Underlying fears of the church coming to surface:
“We see the effects of Islam on Europe. As it has done nothing, Islam is beginning to take over there,” he added.

Religion as the last refuge of the scoundrel:
Participants of the burning plan to light up Qurans on the church property to remember the victims of 9/11 and to “stand against the evil of Islam,” according to the group’s Facebook.

A rational response from Muslims:
The Council on American-Islam Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim advocacy group, has responded to news of the “International Burn A Quran Day” by announcing an educational “Share the Quran” dinner on Sept. 11, which falls during Ramadan. “American Muslims and other people of conscience should support positive educational efforts to prevent the spread of Islamophobia,” remarked Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director of CAIR.

The work cut out for Muslims to change the negative perception:
A survey released by LifeWay Research in April found that 42 percent of Protestant pastors believe Islam “promotes violence” and more than half agree with a statement by well-known evangelist Franklin Graham, who said Islam is an “evil” religion.

See also the blog post on Time Magazine:
Following Newt’s Advice – link

Something that AAIIL can do is to call the said pastor, Dr. Terry Jones to a dialogue and debate on this forum. And to send him and Newt Gingrich the book “Islam, Peace and Tolerance” by Dr. Zahid Aziz

An article on the Worldwide Qadiani Population

Thursday, July 29th, 2010

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri

I came across following article on website of crtics of HMGA and Qadianis (This website has not criticized LAM explicitly, as of my knowledge). The article analyzes worldwide population of Qadianis based on their annual fiancial contributions. This information is submitted to UK government office of Charities. I’m posting this article here because Qadianis tell us falsely, i.e. LAM members, about their worldwide population.

Critique My Calculation Of The Ahmadiyya [QADIANI JAMAAT] Population
by Hussain » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:05 pm

As we know the Ahmadiyya movement is based in the UK and as a result they have to adhere to the charity commission regulations. The most recent accounts submitted for “Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat International” are for the year ended 31 December 2008. Thus I will use this to come up with a figure. Please correct my mistakes:

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[Removed for brevity. Please see link below for full article.]

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Ahmadiyya adherents worldwide: 190,228

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Ahmadiyya adherents in the UK: 4,800

This is purely based on each household paying the compulsory Chanda Aam, nothing else. Now my request, is my logic off? Please correct me. Even if you think I have calculated this correctly do let me know. If I have made mistakes, please let me know. All I can say is…. 200 million? Purrlease! Tens of millions? Yea right!

Link to source of article:

Ismail Peck passes away in Cape Town: “Second Plaintiff is declared to be a Muslim”

Tuesday, July 27th, 2010

It is with the deepest grief that we report the death in Cape Town today, 27th July, of Mr. Ismail Peck, inna li-llahi wa inna ilai-hi raji`un.

Mr Peck was the plaintiff in the Cape Town civil court case, 1982-1985, against various bodies of the anti-Ahmadiyya Ulama, in which he laid the claim that he, an Ahmadi, was a Muslim and it was defamatory to call him kafir, and it was a denial of his legitimate rights to refuse him burial in a cemetery that was designated for Muslim burial.

While knowledgeable in the Quran and the Bible, Mr Peck was a humble man of an ordinary position in life. But it took extraordinary courage to stand up as the plaintiff when the Ulama did all they could to get the case withdrawn. Once the litigation process began, Mr Peck was at risk of his life since if he had died the case would have terminated. Despite all dangers, he stood firm like a rock and saw the case through to the end, including appearing in court to give personal testimony.

When the judge, Mr. D.M. Williamson, read out his judgment on Wednesday 20 November 1985 and, near the end, announced the words “Second Plaintiff is declared to be a Muslim”, those who heard these words, including myself, were overcome by an undescribable ecstasy and sense of gratitude to Almighty Allah. In the post 1974 and 1984 atmosphere, it made life worth living just to hear these words.

To read full details of that court case, please follow this link.

My prayer is that may Allah now pronounce the same judgment on Mr Peck, and admit him into His mercy and forgiveness, ameen.

From the Sunday Times of Cape Town, November 17, 1985, p. 3

Ismail peck

A hadith about women

Sunday, July 25th, 2010

Submitted by “A”.

(Note: “A” is not an anonymous poster. I know her and have talked to her.)

>>Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

On ‘Id ul Fitr or ‘Id ul Adha Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, “O people! Give alms.” Then he went towards the women and said. “O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women).” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the reason for it?” He replied, “O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray.” Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, “O Allah’s Apostle! It is Zainab.” He asked, ‘Which Zainab?” The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas’ub. He said, “Yes, allow her to enter.” And she was admitted. Then she said, “O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else.” The Prophet replied, “Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else.”


it can’t be acceptable that prophet had uttered such words “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?”

There is no such injuction in Quran.

What is jamaat’ stance on it or translation?

BOOK: ISLAM IN INTER-WAR PERIOD by Nathalie Clayer & Eric Germain

Saturday, July 17th, 2010

Submitted by Ikram.


The above chapter is an unequivocal salute to role of Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat Islam Lahore in spread of Islam in Europe. Read excerpt below:


The movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Abmad (c. 1836—1908) was registered by the Government of India in the 1901 Census as a “distinct Mohammedan sect”. Soon after the death of its founder, the Ahmadiyya community split in two antagonistic groups. The majority of its members joined the Qadian Party which proclaimed the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, whereas a minority group based in Lahore spoke of the “Promised Mahdi and Messiah” as a mujaddid (a renewer of his century as known in Sunni orthodoxy). In 1914 the latter group founded the Ahmadiyya Anjumau-i-Isha’at-i-Islam (Ahmadiyya Society for the Propagation of Islam, Urdu acronym AAII) under the leadership of Maulana Muhammad All (1874—1951). When Khwaja Kamaluddin decided to join the Lahore Party, the mission he had just founded in England became the spearhead of an Islamo-Christian dialogue/controversy that soon developed into a distinctive feature of this branch of the Ahmadiyya engaging Christian Churches in an assumed polemical argument.

Indian Muslims studying at British universities showed interest in the historical interaction between Europe and Islam. Such curiosity is illustrated by the translation made by the young barrister Haroon Khan Sherwani of the classic French book on the incursions of Saracens into France and Switzerland, a text published as a serial story in the Indian Muslim press. In launching a European Muslim mission, Khwaja Kamaluddin placed his action within a resolute historical perspective, claiming that “the fate of the Moors in Spain awaits us everywhere, and our annihilation is only a question of time.” He claimed that it was Christian missionary propaganda that made possible the atrocities currently suffered by Muslims in the Balkan wars, In order to “counteract the poison thus created’, Khwaja Kamaluddin called upon his Indian brethren to collect the means to allow the free circulation of his Islamic Review among Members of Parliament and within the Church as well as the numerous clubs and libraries of Great Britain. More than simple lobbying work, he expressed the ambition to undertake “the dissemination of Islam in Western lands” saying that “the trend of modern philosophy, ethics and socialism is towards Islam”. Such a self-confident attitude was shared by a growing number of intellectual, including one who lamented in a Lahore paper of 1907 that “in Muslim countries, governments as individuals have abandoned all idea of proselytism’’.

As a religious minority, Indian Muslims felt particularly threatened by the Christian missionary propaganda conducted since the beginning of the nineteenth century. Mission schools were ironically instrumental in forming the new Western educated elite that engaged itself in “counter-missionary” work. Such was the case of Khwaja Kamaluddin who, during his studies at the Forman Christian College of Lahore acquired a fairly good knowledge of the Bible. In England, the eloquent barrister was particularly willing to engage in Islamo-Christian debates. On several occasions he was requested to address Christian audiences about Islam and in July 1913 he traveled to Paris to speak at an Interfaith Congress convened by liberal Christians. After the war, the founder of the Woking Mission adopted an increasingly polemical discourse targeting evangelists like Samuel Zwemer who was accused of engineering “slanders against Islam” On the one hand, Lahori missionaries questioned the validity of the Christian scriptures by raising contradictions and variations in the accounts of the four Evangelists or mocking some doctrines like the Trinity or the virgin birth of Jesus. The defence of Islam, on the other hand, focused mainly on questions such as the authenticity of the Quranic revelation, holy war, slavery, polygamy and the position of women.

On Kamaluddin’s rhetorical talents, it is interesting to quote the opinion of William (Muhammad) Marmaduke Pickthall. The famous British convert stated that “he had a gift for summing up a train of arguments in striking form” and unlike much polemical writing it is not devoid of literary grace”. Khwaja Kamaluddin showed a true ability to reach an audience having little or no knowledge of Islam, a quality chat, according to Pickthall, was lacking in most Muslim missionary publications of the time. Even within the same movement, there was a noticeable difference between publications from Woking and the ones issued in Lahore. Commenting on a book by Maulana Muhammad Ali, the same Pickthall stressed that its argument and style were the ones fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence), which “differ from that of Christian polemics and can only he appreciated in the West by the few who have already made some study of Islâm”. Muslim missions in Europe brought a true added value to the worldwide effort of Islamic propaganda by publishing a popular kind of literature rather like those question/answer dialogues and compilations containing favourable references to Islam from famous Western writers.

keep reading – covering role of Woking Mission, Lord Headley, Saddaruddin, SM Abdullah, Berlin Mission, Muhammad Ali, AAIIL, Mirza Hashim Ispahani, Boras, Memons, Muslim Princesses, Muslim women and many more…

The “Why”

Thursday, July 15th, 2010

Submitted by Ikram. Discussion of old topic from a different point of view.

Recently I had been exchanging emails with a friend from Rabwah Jamaat where the latter by using various links from aaiil magazines is emphasizing this question: “It appears that the top leadership of Jama’at Lahore (including Maulana Muhammad Ali sb and Khawaja Kamal-ud-Din sb) were clearly of the view up until December 1913 that HMGA was a prophet (Nabi) appointed by God…The belief subsequently changed. Why?”

In summary such line of questions have been answered at:

Irrespective of the garb of discussion the underlying obsequiousness of the question is hidden in “Why?”

My general understanding is that Rabwah (Qadiani) Jamaat attributes the split of Ahmadiyya Jamaat into Qadiani and Lahori (aaiil) factions based on selfish desire of Muhammad Ali who could not find himself a leadership role after death of Nooruddin, the successor of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Hence he separated to form Lahori faction and became its head.

It is the “Why” which ultimately is at the core of the current topic of discussion. It is this “Why” which maliciously implies the perks and privileges that others “won” and pity on Muhammad Ali, who lost. Now think for a moment, the Rabwah Jamaat members have to self reflect that there are certain persons in their Jamaat who have a generational claim on perks and privileges that none can enjoy except the famous Khandan. I am surprised how willingly their Jamaat historically relents whereas the real deal Khalifa Umar (king of Muslim Empire) had to answer for a yard of extra cloth on his tall body when challenged by a woman of newly converted Arabia, a millennium and a half ago. This religious khandan business is unique in Islamic history whose only claim to fame and right to the throne is “pidram sultan bood” (i.e. my dad was a Sultan). But the irony is that “Sultan” never claimed a “Sultanate” or “Sultanhood” for himself:

Interestingly, I came across the following, which is complete opposite of what my Rabwah friend claims – actually Mirza Mahmud [the subsequent first head of Qadiani faction] who for sure believed in absolute finality of Muhammad PBUH in 1910 when he wrote:

“In this verse [33:40] God has said that the Holy Prophet Muhammad is the Khatam-un-nabiyyin, and none shall come after him who may be raised to the status of prophethood, and who may abrogate his teachings and establish a new law. Nay, however many saints (auliya) there are, and righteous and pious persons, they will get all that they get through service to him. Thus God has said that the Holy Prophet’s prophethood was meant not only for his times, but that in future too no prophet would come… [Tashhiz-ul-Azhan, April 1910, vol. v, no. 4 – ]

Now the very question from my Rabwah friend becomes a question to him:

“It appears that the top leadership of Jama’at Qadian (including Mirza Mahmud sb) were clearly of the view up until April 1910 that HMGA was NOT a prophet (Nabi) appointed by God…The belief subsequently changed. Why?”

Again it is this “Why” which has the answer to the entire Qadian-Lahore rift. To find the answer, just follow the power grab and money trail right from its inception. It will lead one into the deep niches of minds that acquired it all for themselves at no matter what the cost, even declaring the hundreds of millions Muslims Kafir, and with one stroke of selfishness tried to undo almost fourteen hundred years of work of Muhammad PBUH.

Lord Headley’s view about AAIIL

Monday, July 12th, 2010

Submitted by Ikram.

Lord Headley’s view about Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishaat-I-Islam, Lahore (AAIIL)

as expressed by him in his address to the annual gathering of AAIIL in Lahore, 1927.

His address below may be read in context of his views about Qadianis.


Permit me to thank you most sincerely for the kind expressions and references you have made in your Address to me. I am afraid I may not perhaps meet all your expectations but in my zeal for the propagation of our Faith I stand second to none.

You have kindly alluded to my humble quota in the service of Islam. I must confess that I have only done my duty and I wish I could do more. You have also kindly alluded to some of the hardships I had to face since my formal declaration in the Faith in 1913. My hardships may be many and who knows many more may be in store, but Allah be glorified who enables me to bear all this in a humble Muslim spirit. It has been due to my strong faith in Islam which has enabled me to bear these. Every adversity that befell me made my faith in Islam still stronger. In this connection I must mention the moral support I have always received from my dearest brother Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din – the first Missionary of Islam in Europe. His untiring energy, his Muslim sacrificial spirit and his unassuming character coupled with his undaunted courage have been a constant source of strength to me and are among the chief causes of spread of Islam in West. In his preachings as a Muslim he has not only stood above sectarian differences but has always proved conclusively that there are no sects in Islam.

As you have rightly remarked, in Islam there are different schools of thought only, and no sects, and I, therefore, in the very beginning wish to disassociate myself from all such so-called sects of Islam. I belong to none of them and especially deprecate the ways of those who denounce other Muslims as being out of the pale of Islam simply because they differ from them in certain matters. I am a Muslim pure and simple and follow the Quran and Sunnah (the words and ways of the Holy Prophet). I believe in the finality of the Divine Messengership in the holy person of Muhammad. I believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers (with Muhammad the last of them), the Hereafter and the Pre-measurement of good and evil by God and the Resurrection after death. I need no more. I am, therefore, glad to realize that in your propagation of Islam you have taken the same attitude and directed your activities above sectarian differences.

Gentlemen, it gives me real pleasure to hear about all you have said about your activities in the propagation of our dear Faith in different ways in different places. How happy I feel to find you, Indian Brethren, engaged in a most sacred cause so essential to the very life of Islam, and my personal gratitude to your efforts becomes enhanced when I find a sort of indifference to this sacred cause prevailing in other quarters. The Woking Mission has met a marvelous success and I may say unprecedented in some way, and I hope the day is very near when your efforts will be crowned with success in other quarters. Your means may be limited but I hope your enthusiasm, sincerity and honesty of purpose, combined with your full trust in God, will compensate all this and you will achieve success….

An Address of The Right Hon’ble Al-Haj Lord Headley (El-Farooq) Delivered on the 28th of December 1927 at the Annual Gathering of The Ahmadiyya Anjuman-i-Ishaat-i-Islam, Lahore, pages 1-2. [link]

Lord Headley’s views about Qadiani Dogma.

Thursday, July 8th, 2010

Submitted by Ikram.

Lord Headley’s views about Qadiani Dogma.

In all the beautiful religions of the world there are the evidences of that strong desire of the created to return to and be at one with the Creator, and a compassionate regard for the welfare and happiness of other is a characteristic feature of the Buddhist, Christian and Islamic Faiths, and the last named, being the simplest and most free from dogmatic encumbrances, is most likely to be the universal religion of the world. There is, as far as one can see, no class in Islam which bids for temporal power. The grandeur of the religion is uninfluenced by any such sordid considerations. Every true Muslim looks to a reward which is as far above mere mundane advantages and riches as the light of the sun is above that of the ignis fatuus. I do not myself think that Islam has anything to fear from outside attacks, or even from the unworthy misrepresentations of which I have so frequently complained, for these will fade away as the Truth becomes evident. What may cause obstruction and delay is the attempt to establish fresh sects within the great fraternity of Islam. It has always been my great delight to point to the Muslim Faith as being so free from sectarian trouble which honeycombs modern Christianity. The Sunnis and the Shiahs and the Wahabis have all very decided views and may almost be looked upon as “sects,” and in very recent years the Ahmadis Qadianis followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad proclaim the advent of their leader, whom they regard as the “promised Messiah.” These latest reformers insist that all those who refuse to acknowledge Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Messiah shall be “deprived of the light of faith” and, further, that the rejection of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad “means the rejection of the Holy Prophet Muhammad himself.” It strikes a blow at the solidarity of Islam which is greatly to be deplored. One cannot find fault with the Ahmadis (Qadianis) for thinking anything they like (it is a free country), but one may reasonably object to being excluded from the ranks of the Faithful at the behest of a small number of zealous adherents of a certain idea.

I do not propose to go into the question of the Messiahship of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but I may be permitted to point out that the high handed line now being followed by the Ahmadis (Qadianis) is hardly in accord with the true spirit of Islam, which, places toleration very high amongst the virtues to be encouraged.

As must be admitted by any fair-minded person, the innovation is entirely from the Ahmadis [Qadianis – comment added] who can hardly complain because questions are asked concerning the new rules. According to these rules I am led to understand that all Muslims who fail to recognize the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are to be placed outside the pale, and can no longer be regarded as true Muslims.

I look upon this as a very serious matter, for it seems like an attempt to bind the consciences of the whole Muslim world to the views of one particular sect; indeed, it reminds one of a slogan used elsewhere: “No salvation outside the Church.”

As I have said elsewhere, the Ahmadi [Qadiani – comment added] declaration appears to my simple and, I hope, unbiased mind to be far too dictatorial. It must be evident even to the most cursory observer that such ex-cathedra declarations must prove distasteful to a large proportion of the great Muslim community. Not very long ago I informed my friend the Imam of the Southfield Mosque that I could not subscribe to the views he promulgated because they savoured too much of the intolerance we complain of in another Faith [i.e. Christianity – comment added], and might almost be inspired by the spirit of the Athanasian Creed which most of us unite in condemning.

[The Strength of Islam – by Khwaja Kamaluddin/Lord Headley, pg 21-24]


ignis fatuus” = a light that sometimes appears in the night over marshy ground and is often attributable to the combustion of gas from decomposed organic matter [Merriam Webster]

ex-cathedra” = by virtue of or in the exercise of one’s office or position [Merriam Webster]

Killings in Data Darbar, Lahore

Saturday, July 3rd, 2010

It is deeply distressing news that there has been a bombing attack at the Data Darbar shrine in Lahore, killings dozens of innocent people. See news here.

LAM members condemn this attack, as they condemn all such attacks, and as they condemned the attacks against Qadiani mosques in Lahore in May. All those killed are entirely innocent.

We must also say that the causes must be tackled, the main one being the glorification of such violence by religious leaders who present it as jihad and claim preposterously that those who perpetrate it are received by Allah into heaven as a reward.

I hope I am not offending anyone by calling for “introspection” and self-searching by all Muslims of Pakistan, as to whether they have allowed such religious leaders to prosper by not challenging them, by turning a blind eye to them, or, worse, believing that they are true spokesmen for Islam.

I personally suggest that the bereaved and injured of the attacks against the Qadiani mosques and the bereaved and injured of the Data Darbar attacks meet each other and hold a joint meeting to express condolences to each other. I suggest that at that meeting each party prays for the forgiveness of the souls of the dead of the other party. Of course each party will have already prayed for the dead of their own party, so now is the time to extend their prayers to the deceased of the other side. They need only raise their hands in prayer. In any case, they can share feelings and experiences, and find common ground.