August 14th, 2022
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From Saad:
Can you even populate the Berlin Masjid? I doubt there are enough Lahori Ahmadis in Berlin to keep the Mosque open regularly. I would personally advise the Lahore Jama’at to sell the Mosque to the Main Jama’at.
This would be a win win for both sides.
From Zahid Aziz:
Dear Mr Saad Malhi
As I am a member of the Berlin Committee of the AAIIL, I can give you a semi-official reply immediately.
A condition of the sale of our Mosque to your Jamaat would be that you erect a plaque outside the Mosque front door with inscribed upon it the following fundamental beliefs of your Jamaat which I quote below verbatim from a book by your Khalifa number 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:
(1) the belief that Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually a Nabi;
(2) the belief that he was 'the Ahmad' spoken of in the prophecy of Jesus referred to in the Holy Quran in Al-Saff 61:7;
(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah.
That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit.
(The book Truth About the Split by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad, 2007 edition, pages 56-57, available at the link https://www.alislam.org/book/truth-about-split/ of your Jamaat’s website)
The many Muslims who currently come to this Mosque will have no difficulty at all in understanding the meanings of the words Nabi and kuffar as used by your Jamaat in the above quotation.
From Zahid Aziz:
Mr Saad Malhi, here is a video clip from a recent Friday Khutba in the Berlin Mosque.
The interesting point is that, according to your Jamaat Mr Saad Malhi, each and every person present here is either a kafir or he is a munafiq because:
Another interesting point is that your Jamaat, Mr Saad Malhi, has always been propagating that those who built this mosque were the Lahori munafiqin and hypocrites who had rebelled against your Khalifa. In that case, please read this from the Quran: “Never stand in it. Certainly a mosque founded on observance of duty from the first day is more deserving that you should stand in it” (9:108).
So your Jamaat members should refuse even to stand in it, let alone buy it.
From Saad:
Our position is not that Lahoris are Kuffar nor are they outside the fold of Islam let alone Ahmadiyyat.
I am sure you are well aware of this Zahid sb. I dont understand why you are attempting to strawman the main Jama'at position?!
When it is clear it considers Lahori Ahmadis, in generality, to be Ahmadis but also Fasiqs.
Lastly, the third point is very misleading as a stand alone if you allow Musleh Maud RA's explanation of this passage which he has done in other places we dont have an issue with it.
From Zahid Aziz:
Mr Saad Malhi: I certainly did not say that your Jamaat calls us as kafir. Please read again. I said your Jamaat calls us as munafiqin and hypocrites who weren't sincere followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and rebelled against the khilafat system. You can read this in Mirza Mahmud Ahmad's book The Truth about the Split.
What I said was that, according to your Jamaat, any Ahmadi who prays behind the Imam of the Berlin Mosque is a munafiq and hypocrite, whether that Ahmadi is a Lahori or of your own Jamaat.