The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement Blog

Second constitutional amendment in Pakistani constitution is based on WRONG understanding that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib [HMGA] made claim of prophethood. Whereas Javed Ahmad Ghamidi sahib states that HMGA sahib NEVER made any such claim and it is all due to HMGA’s son Mirza Mahmud Ahmad that misunderstanding about HMGA is prevailing in Pakistani society, in particular.
 
Currently Javed Ghamidi sahib is living in exile in Indonesia. I hope the time comes when he feels safe to return to Pakistan. It would be nice if someone in Pakistan could file a lawsuit against respected Javed Ghamidi sahib for stating which contradicts the basis on which 2nd constitutional amendment is based. This way respected Javed Ghamidi will testify in court of law that HMGA sahib NEVER made any claim of prophethood. And court can give judgment in favor of respected Javed Ghamidi sahib. This will establish the fact that bases of 2nd constitutional amendment is based on LIES.

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claim of likeness to Jesus, and the likeness of the nature of his mission to that of Jesus’ mission, goes back to Barahin Ahmadiyya. See B.A., Part 4, page 499 of original edition. Then there are the two ishtihars right at the beginning of Majmua Ishtiharat (v. 1, p. 20 and p. 24 of Qadiani Jamaat edition of 1986) where he writes about his close likeness to the Messiah.

The above writings were published in 1884/1885. Maulana Nur-ud-Din was attracted to come and find Hazrat Mirza when he read one of his announcements about Barahin Ahmadiyya in which Hazrat Mirza sahib declared that God spoke to him, and he then sent for the parts of B.A. so far published. The Maulana would have met him in 1884 most probably, and not before 1883. It seems unlikely that he met him before the writings mentioned above in which Hazrat Mirza had already strongly spoken of being the like of Jesus.

Even supposing that he had met him before the above writings, we also find in B.A. Part 3, published 1882, that he wrote: “About ten years ago I saw the Messiah in a dream. The Messiah and I ate from the same dish. While eating, the two of us were as informal and loving as two blood brothers, or as two close friends and companions of very long standing.” (p. 253) He then mentions a Muslim saint in the same dream who was telling Jesus about the spiritual grades that Allah has destined for this Umma.

This statement was published definitely before Hazrat Mirza sahib had met Maulana Nur-ud-Din, and obviously could not have “consulted” him.

As to having consultations before making a claim, would anyone (any Muslim at any rate) put it this way about the Holy Prophet Muhammad that he had “consultations” with his wife Khadija and her relative Waraqa bin Naufil before claiming to be a prophet? Yet he did speak to them about his experience and they gave their opinion about what it meant.

Salam! Will anyone please refute Mr Ghamidi’s arguments about the termination of divine inspiration from Quran or Hadith? & brother Rashid, Ghamdi’s videos for atheists can be seen here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eg54LevVFM&feature=BFa&list=PL7FE8FA71F369F70A&lf=results_video
etc.

In view of Ghamidi sahib’s eminent scholarship and his obvious integrity and sincerity, I wouldn’t like to use the term “refute” in expressing disagreement with him on this issue. For our position on the continuity of revelation, please refer to the following two sections of evidence that we presented in the Cape Town court case in 1985:

Revelation in Islam
and supplementary material on this issue (not in the evidence).

Revelation and Hazrat Mirza’s claim
and supplementary material on this issue (not in the evidence).

Lahore attack may 2010 say phehlay mujahay to yeh bhi nahi maloom tha k Lahori jammat bhi mojood hai. Mera taaluq aik sunni deobandi family say hai jahan yeh sakhti hai k doosray firqay ya mazhab ki katab khod say na parho balkay jo ulema bataen sirf wohi suno. mein 2010 say aap k khamosh qari hon balkay aap ka blog chup kar read karta hn. kuch samjah aata hai aur kuch nahi. laiken itna zaroor lagta hai k aap log buhat educated aur wasee mutala kartay hein.

apni koi urdu website bataye?

kia aap pakistan say bahar hein?

links open nahi ho rahay.

فرقہ بندی ہے کہیں اور کہیں ذاتیں ہیں
کیا زمانے میں پنپنے کی یہی باتیں ہیں

Laiken youtube kholnay k tareqay say website complete open nahi hoi hai. agar aap munasib samjhein to book"Aaeen-e-Pakistan aur Musalmaan Firqa Ahmadiyya" , "Ahmadi Musalmaan Hein — Janoobee Africa kee Supreme Court ka Faisila" mujhay email kar dein.

میرے اوپر کے سوال کا جواب نہیں آیا؟

aap k khayaal say wo kon si sab say bari wajah hai k tamam dosray muslims mil k aap k sakht khilaaf hein? 

Janab Arif sahib, jin kitabon ka ap ne zikar kia hai, meharbani se zail ke link try karain:

Aaeen-e-Pakistan aur Musalmaan Firqa Ahmadiyya

Ahmadi Musalmaan Hein — Janoobee Africa kee Supreme Court ka Faisila

Mundarja bala links se ap in kitabon ki pdf files hasil kar saktay hain.

Ap ne sawal poochha: aap k khayaal say wo kon si sab say bari wajah hai k tamam dosray muslims mil k aap k sakht khilaaf hein? 

Sab say bari wajah to yeh hai kay hamaray mutallaq jhoota propaganda kia jata hai, jis ka jawab danay ki hamain Pakistan main qanooni tor per ijazat nahin. Jhootay propaganda ki ayk misal to ap isi blog per meray ayk hal kay comment main parh saktay hain, dekhain yeh link.

Us link per ap Urdu main mera khat dekh saktay hain jo main ne Jang (London) ko likha. Jaisa main ne wahan zikar kia hai, Jang ne mera khat nahin chhapa jab tak main nain akhbarat kay shikayat kay idara main (Press Complaints Commission of UK) unkay khilaf shikayat nahin ki. Ap sochain ke agar UK main Pakistani akhbarat kay ta`sub (prejudice) ka yeh hal hai to Pakistan main kya hal ho ga.

Ayk aur Pakistani akhbarat main jhoota propaganda ki misal is link per dekhain.

In do misaloon main haqaiq (yani facts) kay mutallaq jhoot hai.

Ap kay sawal main ilfaz hain "tamam dosray Muslims". Pakistan ka qanoon "tamam Muslims" ko majboor karta hai kay wo official form per sign karain kay "main Ahmadion ko ghair musalmaan samajta hoon". Is statement ko aisay logon nay bhi majboor ho kar sign kia hoa hai jo Ahmadion ko musalmaan samajtay hain.

Is blocking se to ap per meri bat sabat ho gai ho gi kay hamain Pakistan main jawab danay ki ijazat nahin.

Main ne woh kitabain ahmadiyya.org per copy kar de hain. Try ki jeeay:

Aaeen-e-Pakistan aur Musalmaan Firqa Ahmadiyya

Ahmadi Musalmaan Hein — Janoobee Africa kee Supreme Court ka Faisila

English version of my comment above:

Dear Arif sahib, the fact that you say aaiil.org is blocked only proves what I said in my earlier comment that in Pakistan we are not allowed by law to reply to false propaganda against us.

Since, fortunately, you have found that ahmadiyya.org is not blocked, I have copied the books which you wanted from aaiil.org to ahmadiyya.org.

I am delighted to help you with these references.

Maudoodi:

Read here (yahan parhain) the letter written by Maudoodi in which he wrote: "From among the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, I also do not consider Qadianis and Ahmadis to be in the same category. In my opinion the Qadiani group is excluded from Islam, but the Ahmadi group is included within Islam".

The image of his original letter (unkay khat ka aks) is at this link.

Dr Israr Ahmad:

The reference for the writing of Dr Israr Ahmad is: Tehreek Jamaat-i Islami, Ayk Tahqiqi Mutalia, published by Darul Isha‘at Islamia, Lahore, 1966, pages 186 – 187.

I have extracted these pages, along with the title pages of this book, from a later edition (2008), into a pdf file, and marked the relevant text with red lines. See this link.