Qadiani Khalifa 5 Mirza Masroor Ahmad visits Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement Mosque in Berlin, Germany
Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.
According to the news:
“Mirza Masroor Ahmed, Khalifa 5 of Qadiani Jamaat visited Berlin Mosque that belongs to Lahori Jamaat on 29th June 2011. Mirza Masroor Ahmed is the firstever Khalifa to visit a Lahori Jamaat Mosque in last 96 year after the death of Hazrat Hakim Noor-ud-Din, Khalifatul-Masih in March 1914. The details of his 15 minutes visit with about 50-60 people in his entourage shall be given soon.”
According to another information, Qadiani Khalifa 5 asked LAM member present in mosque to “Come and join them (i.e. Qadiani Cult)”.
I wish I were there. I would have replied:
“Khalifa sahib, I will join your jamaat at this very moment, just help me answer one objection of opponents of your jamaat: While in presence of your entourage, standing in mosque, holding Holy Quran in your hands could you please say on oath that your maternal Grandfather Khalifa (QK2) Mirza Mahmud Ahmad NEVER said–
“All muslims who are not included in the bai`at of Maseeh Mauood, even if they have not heard the name of Maseeh Mauood, they are Kafir and out of the fold of Islam. I admit that these are my beliefs.”;
“Non-Ahmadis [here Ahmadis means Qadianis i.e. Non-Qadianis] are the disbelievers therefore their funeral prayers should not be offered, but if you ask: an infant of non-ahmadi [Non-Qadiani] dies, why should we not pray his funeral prayer, he is not a disbeliever of Maseeh Mauood? I ask the inquirer, that if this is true than why don’t we offer funeral prayer of a Hindu or a Christian child? How many people offer their funeral prayer?”;
“It is our obligation that we do not consider non-ahmadis [non-Qadianis] as muslims and do not pray behind them, because for us they have rejected one prophet (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) of God. This is a religious matter and no one has any right to do anything in it.” ”
I am sure QK5 would have NEVER answered request, but it would have certainly educated the TRUE BELIEFS OF QADIANIS to his 50-60 stooges who escorted him to show off his “majesty”.
From ikram:
I agree with Rashid for the questions, but disagree about the venue to ask them. QK-5 and his entourage were guests of LAM. Hopefully they were offered tea.
From Zahid Aziz:
I understand that the visit was very brief and that the Khalifa sahib does not partake of refreshments offered in this way for reasons of personal safety and security.
From Rashid:
@Ikram:
Mirza Masroor Ahmad (QK5) did not visit Berlin Mosque as a tourist, rather he invited LAM member present there in a sarcastic way, referring to less LAM chanda paying members numbers, to join Qadiani Jamaat. And his followers giggled.
@Dr. Zahid Aziz:
It is interesting that Qadiani Khalifas are very careful for their safety, and they do not eat or drink out of fear of being poisoned. But they do not hesitate poisoning to death others. Please read Maulana Abdul Manan Omar sahib interview for some details.
Malik Mushtaq sahib has posted a youtube video on his channel regarding QK5 visit to Berlin mosque:
http://www.youtube.com/ahmediyyagazette1#p/u/0/jaYL9JVE_e8
From Zubin Ashraf:
@Rashid Jahangiri.
Wassalam..
I am from Kerala (southern state in India) and a menber of Majlis Khuddamul Ahmadiyya.I was surfing to get some info regarding the Split of Ahmadiyya Movement and ended up reading your passage.I am really sorry to say that just by reading this article, i completely stopped browsing regarding LAM because it was so obvious with your standards of writing, that there is NO truth in your movement.
We are united in propagating Islam under Khilafath and truth is that we are even ready to sacrifice anything for him.
Let Allah forgive you !
Ameen
From Mohammed Iqbal:
@Zubin Ashraf,
If there is such a lot of truth in your movement, kindly tell me why many people left your movement and formed a seperate Jama’at, which owes allegiance to a new Mujaddid claimant, under the leadership of none other than your own paternal uncle? They have been organizing meetings and distributing leaflets challenging your Khilafath system. So far you have not been able to rebut their charges successfully.
From Fazil Jamal:
Muhammad Iqbal Sahib is right.
Many Kerala Ahmadis of the Q Jamaat have acted upon their inner convictions to follow the Mujaddid of the new Century, Hadhrat Munir A. Azim Sahib of Mauritius. They have left their previous association to form the Jamaat Ul Sahih Al Islam in Kerala as well.
The Q leadership in Kerala has been dumbfounded and completely silenced by the arguments of the new sect of Ahmadiyyat.
From ikram:
I confused by two of the above posts.
Zubin Ashraf states – We are united in propagating Islam under Khilafath and truth is that we are even ready to sacrifice anything for him.
Fazil Jamal states – Many Kerala Ahmadis of the Q Jamaat have acted upon their inner convictions to follow the Mujaddid of the new Century, Hadhrat Munir A. Azim (HMAA) Sahib of Mauritius. They have left their previous association to form the Jamaat Ul Sahih Al Islam in Kerala as well. The Q leadership in Kerala has been dumbfounded and completely silenced by the arguments of the new sect of Ahmadiyyat.
Mr. Ashraf is representing the ‘old school’ associated with HMGA who consider him a prophet. Mr. Jamal is commenting about a ‘new school’ that has a new Mujaddid, someone who emanated from the same ‘old school’.
The comments above indicate that both old and new schools are antagonistic of each other. This is where the confusion lies:
1. If HMGA was appointed from God, then his appointment in no way should be an impediment for the advent of the new Mujaddid after him i.e. HMAA, rather HMGA’s followers should firstly identify the next Mujaddid and then openly embrace him. Thus continues the chain of Divine ordination for the Ummah till eternity.
2. If the followers of HMAA are correct in following a Mujaddid, then why are they antagonist of the fellowship of the previous divine i.e. Q of HMGA? Of note is that HMAA and his followers themselves originally belonged to Q to begin with.
3. Because both reject each other, isn’t it logical to conclude that both are following the wrong people for wrong reasons? If HMGA is correctly accepted by Q, then his Q followers should have no problem following the next Divine and vice versa for followers of HMAA?
In simple Discrete Mathematics it is a logical “AND” i.e.
T AND T = T(rue)
T AND F = F(alse)
F AND T = F
F AND F = F
4. If the mutual dynamics of Q and HMAA and his followers is logically ‘False’ then who is ‘True’?
Q.E.D. AAIIL is ‘True’ for the mere fact that they accept the previous Mujaddid i.e. HMGA and are open to a new Mujaddid who only has to prove himself while he has a track record of fully accepting the absolute finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH).
From Niraj:
My dear brother Zubin,
If you really want to study and understand about HMGA(a)followers and thier beliefs,please find some major groups for your information.
1)Q ahmadiyya 2)L ahmadiyya 3)Green Ahmadiyya 4)J ahmadiyya Islah pasand.5)J Ahmadiyya Al mouslimeen 6)Jamat ul sahih al islam 7)Jamat Ahmadiyya haqiqi 8)ahmadiyya anwar ul islam etc.
Try to study with open mind and kindly let me know who is right and who is wrong???
From Zubin Ashraf:
@Mohammed Iqbal
First of all there is no truth in saying that there are 'many people' leaving our Jamath..it is completely wrong.those are very few among us. Second, leaving a sect doesnt mean that our beleaf is not true coz these things happened even during the time of Prophet (s) and the Khalifa's after him so this is not something new.Rebels like you are common even today!!
Your other point is regarding my paternal uncle…let me tell you something..will you convert as a jew if your Father or paternal uncle ask you to do…come on sir…have some common sense when commenting something.
Finally about the leaflets..i have seen myself that they are only confined to distributing leaflets..they never came to ask questions…let them distribute..they have all the right to do that…if you have any questions, come out and ask…We can reply…but dont stab from the back…!!!