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August 29th, 2008

Research on Israelite origin of Afghans

You may be interested in an article by an Indian Muslim researcher entitled Medieval Persian References to the Putative Israelite Origin of Afridi Pashtuns/Pathans.

He briefly mentions Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in it as well.

Read it at this link (opens new window).

8 Responses to “Research on Israelite origin of Afghans”

  1. August 30th, 2008 at 7:52 am
    From Tahir Ijaz:

    Genetic research is required using Y-chromosome mapping to study ancient migrations. Work on this is still in its infancy.

    One study published in American Journal of Human Genetics (2002) by geneticists from Islamabad and Oxford, referrred to Kwaja Nazir’s Ahmad’s work,  but concluded regarding Kashmiris and Pashtuns that “no support for a Jewish origin is found”.

    However one weakness was limitation in good sample size, which the authors admitted.

  2. I must admit, I have reservations in terms of the grave of jesus. 

    1.  HMGA did not receive any revelation from GOD in terms of this grave. 

    1.a.  I learned from an anti-ahmadi website that HMGA first claimed that the tomb of Jesus was in galilea or some other place.

    1.b.  Facts show that HMGA was looking for a grave.  GOD could easily have revealed the location of this grave in 1891.  With the info that Jesus died, should have came the info of the grave. 

    2.  If it wasnt for the research of Nicholas Notovitch, HMGA would never thought that Jesus was ever in India.   NN was the researcher that discovered that jesus travelled to India.  In fact HMGA used the same map that NN used for his book “jesus in india”.  Jesus in India wasnt published until after the death of HMGA.—thats strange.  And it was incomplete. 

    3.  I think some guy named Khalifa Noorudin(not KHalifa tul masih) came to HMGA with the info of this grave.  HMGA never went to Kashmir himself to view that tomb. 

    4.  Who currently owns the tomb????  Why doesnt the AMI buy the land and the tomb???  AMI has so much money, you would think that this had already been done. 

    5.  When will the AMI or aaiil do carbon-dating????  How much more research on the contents of the tomb??  Technology has grown so much in the last 100 years.  The AMI has many scientists.   They should actively pursue this task. 

    6.  Also, there is no english book that reveals how HMGA was led to this tomb.  I think some Imam(q) told me the story of Khalifa Noorudin. 

    7.  There is a strong possiblity that this isnt the tomb of Jesus.  I think it may be time to dig up the contents of this tomb.  We have the technology and the money to do so.  Why not ????

    8.  Finally, why would the people of this small city preserve a tomb for 1900 years???  What was their motivation???  In ROR 1903,  Sher Ali commented on the renovations to this tomb.  The question must be asked, why would somebody renovate this tomb??? 

    9.  I’m sure this tomb gets alot of tourist.  It would be in the best interest of the poor inhabitants of this city to promote this tomb as a tourist attraction.

    10.  If i was in Kashmir, I would attempt to promote tourism as much as possible.  That would greatly help the people of this town. 

    Just my thoughts…….  I’m sorry but I challege everything, as should any intelligent person.

  3. August 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    The issue whether Afghans and Kashmiris are descendants of the ten lost tribes of the Israelites is a question in its own right and separate from the question of the tomb of Jesus, although of course it is a strong basis for proving that Jesus is buried in Kashmir. Their Israelite descent is more widely believed.

    There is also the strange similarity that the graves of both Jesus and Hazrat Mirza sahib (both the Messiahs) are located in areas which, according to justice, should have become part of Pakistan and might well have done so, but went to India.

  4. August 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
    From Tahir Ijaz:

  5. August 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
    From Abdul Momin:

    There is also the question of why people who would normally be opposed to Jews, would claim to be descendants of the Israelis. I once met a person from Kashmir and he confirmed what we have read in some of the books; namely that the Kashmiris consider themselves to be the descendants of Bani Israel. 

    Then there is also the presence of a large number of graves in Kashmir that are supposed to have a different orientation than that of Muslim graves. These also lend some credibility to the notion that people of Jewish descent must have visited that area, some time in the past. I saw first hand for myself the tomb which is supposed to be that of Mary, in Murree. The people around that area also claimed that it was the tomb of Mary, although they had no clue how she got there when I asked them that question.

    Since Palestine to Kashmir and beyond are areas which are continuously connected to each other, it is not unreasonable to think that ancient Jews might have migrated to Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan/India after being carried away by Nebuchadnezzar to Iraq.

    It isbelieved that thousands of years ago (at least 12,000 years), people travelled from Asia through Alaska and settled in North as well as, ultimately, South America. A similar migration took place from Asia to Australia estimated at more than 40,000 years ago.

    A migration of people occuring between the ancient Middle East and India would be much easier by comparison.

  6. I wonder if anybody has heard of the SILK ROAD.  People migrate.  it happens.  It shouldnt be a moment of great discovery.

    Europeans migrated south into the middle east, of course this is speculation. 

    The only road to India from Iran and Iraq was through afghanistan, either that or by water.  But its not amazing that this Silk road brought the Jews from Israel.  Of course the silk road was before jesus’ time, but its not it was demolished or anything.  It was the Middle east’s first super highway.

    Info and good travelled along this road–thats a fact.

  7. @ Bashir:
    Your: 7.  There is a strong possiblity that this isnt the tomb of Jesus.  I think it may be time to dig up the contents of this tomb.  We have the technology and the money to do so.  Why not ????

    Abdul Mannan Omar sahib (son of HMNUD) once told me, HMGA has said (or written): If Jesus grave is dug, many proofs will be found.
    @Zahid bahi:
    The fact that India was unjustly divided, was perhaps blessing in disguise. Had Kashmir and Qadian come into Pakistan, graves of both Messiahs would have been desecrated. 

  8. Channel 4 report on Jews in Afghanistan
    A single minority jew in Afghanistan