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June 14th, 2010

Mujib-ur-Rahman’s statement on MTA about janaza prayers

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.

Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 4 and now 5 and others in the leadership and important positions in their jamaat have started to violate and reject beliefs and instructions of their Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 2 and his younger brother Mirza Bashir Ahmad. Mirza Mahmud Ahmad has written and said in his numerous writings that all those who have not accepted Promised Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as prophet are Kafir (non-Muslim) and even their young children are non-Muslims and it is not permitted to offer their Janazah (funeral prayer).

And now their Spokesman Mr. Mujib-ur-Rehman has made absolutely 180 degree turn.

On their TV channel MTA there was a live programme on Saturday 12th June called “Raah-i Huda”. Mr Mujib-ur-Rahman was interviewed from Pakistan by telephone at just before 6.00 p.m. UK time.

In regard to the allegation that the Qadiani Jamaat does not hold janaza prayers of non-Ahmadi Muslims, Mr Mujib-ur-Rahman stated most forcefully that saying janaza prayers is a “fard-i kifaya” in Islam, and that this means that if any other Muslims have held the janaza prayers of a non-Ahmadi then there is no requirement for the Qadiani Jamaat to hold them as well. He added that in the case where there were no other Muslims who could hold the janaza prayers of a non-Ahmadi (for example, in a foreign country with few Muslims), then the Qadiani Jamaat does hold janaza prayers for that non-Ahmadi. He was proud that if there are no other Muslims to hold the janaza prayers for a non-Ahmadi, then the Qadiani Jamaat holds it.

He also stated that if non-Ahmadi Muslims started saying janaza prayers for deceased members of the Qadiani Jamaat, then they would start holding them for non-Ahmadis deceased persons.

He also stated that in the time of the Promised Messiah, before he was declared kafir, Ahmadis used to pray behind non-Ahmadi imams and join janaza prayers behind non-Ahmadi imams. But after he was declared kafir, then according to Hadith this declaration of takfir reflected back upon his opponents. Mr Mujib-ur-Rahman stated that this was the only reason why his Jamaat members do not say janaza prayers of a non-Ahmadi behind a non-Ahmadi imam.

For comparison with these statements of Mr Mujib-ur-Rahman, please see attached statements of Mirza Mahmud Ahmad from books which are on the Qadiani Jamaat website

For additional references, see the following on

Musalman Wohi Hay Jo Saab Mamoron Ko Maany by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad
Page 3 and 4 of pdf format online edition: See book no. 9 on this page

Kalima-Tul-Fasal by Mirza Bashir Ahmad. Just read the first few pages of this book:

5 Responses to “Mujib-ur-Rahman’s statement on MTA about janaza prayers”

  1. June 14th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    So strongly held and argued was this standpoint of the Qadiani Jamaat (i.e. that they must not hold janaza prayers for other Muslims) that in 1940 Maulana Muhammad Ali wrote a brief booklet on this issue addressed to Qadiani Jamaat members. He asked if any single one of them could testify that:

    ‘In the time of the Promised Messiah and the time of Hazrat Maulana Nur-ud-Din, that is before 1914, saying funeral prayers for non-Ahmadis was considered to be prohibited as it is now, and no Ahmadi community ever held the funeral prayers of a non-Ahmadi.’

    See this link for the booklet.

    A few months later in 1941, Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote a book in reply which was more than 200 pages long, entitled Mas`ala Janaza ki Haqiqat. The standpoint in this book was that when the Promised Messiah wrote that janaza prayers of non-Ahmadis were allowed, he put such conditions on it that such a non-Ahmadi would in effect have to be an Ahmadi!

    Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote about these conciliatory statements of the Promised Messiah that: “The Promised Messiah gave people a bitter pill to swallow which he coated with sugar, but Hazrat Khalifat-ul-Masih 2 has given them the pill directly without sugar coating.”

  2. I think that it is just sad that a muslim (x or y) has EVEN SECOND THOUGHTS in terms of burying any other muslim. A dead muslim should be prayed for without hesitation. Of course suicide and other factors i have left those out of the equation.

  3. You can continue praying behind those who abuse and revile the Promised Messiah (as).

  4. June 15th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    From Zahid Aziz:

    The issue under discussion is not who to pray behind, but which deceased to pray for. If a non-Ahmadi relative or friend of an Ahmadi dies, the Ahmadi may wish to have the Ahmadiyya Jamaat hold that person’s  janaza prayers. It is this regarding which Maulana Muhammad Ali asked: Can even one person testify that before 1914 “no Ahmadi community ever held the funeral prayers of a non-Ahmadi”?

    Mirza Mahmud Ahmad himself wrote in Anwar-i Khilafat in his 1915 speech:

    “Then a question is asked about saying the funeral prayers for a non-Ahmadi. A difficulty pointed out in this respect is that the Promised Messiah has allowed the saying of such funeral prayers in some circumstances. There is no doubt that there exist some references showing this, and a letter has been discovered which will be brought under consideration.

    But forty years later this letter was still newly discovered! His position at the Munir court of enquiry was as follows:

    “The position finally adopted by the Ahmadis [i.e., the party of M. Mahmud Ahmad] before us on the question of funeral prayers is that an opinion of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has now been discovered which permits the Ahmadis to join the funeral prayers of other Muslims who are not mukazzibs and mukaffirs of Mirza Sahib.” (p. 199 of the Munir report)

    Mirza Mahmud Ahmad’s actual reply to the court was:

    “However, we have now found a ruling of the Founder of the Movement, and in accordance with that it is possible that, after deliberation and consideration, our earlier ruling may be amended.”
    (‘Our earlier ruling’ here refers to the Qadiani Jamaat stand on this issue.)

    During these forty years he was repeatedly asked to rule on the basis of those references and that letter, but he never did so.

  5. On Pak tea House someone by the name Kaalket, who I understand is a Sikh from Indian Punjab, has suggested to Qadianis to move back to Qadian, India and live there peacefully. I wrote the following post:
    I tell you an interesting and true historical story.
    In 1914 there was split in Ahmadiyya Movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (MGAQ). The issue of split was ‘finality’ of prophethood. Those who held the belief that MGAQ was a prophet like prophet Muhammad pbuh and those before him stayed in Qadian. And those who held belief that MGAQ was just a REFORMER, like many in past and those who will come in future moved to Lahore.
    Remember: Qadian was place for birth of Ahmadiyya Movement. It was place from where all the work for propagation of Islam was started etc. Even grave of MGAQ was there etc. The Heavenly Graveyard (Bahisti-Muqbara) that MGAQ made and prayed that righteous people get buried in it. More over MGAQ had instructed NOT to abandon this town. He prophesized that town of Qadian will always have peace.
    Anyways, when one faction moved to Lahore i.e. Lahori-Ahmadiyya, the head of Qadiani-Ahmadiyya Mirza Mahmud Ahmad declared it a great victory and repeatedly made fun and insulting comments about Lahori-Ahmadiyya and their elders.
    In the ensuing years Mirza Mahmud Ahmad got a good control of the town and grip on his followers. He got well established in his position as Qadiani Khalifa 2.
    Then came 1944 when Mirza Mahmud Ahmad made claim of DIVINE APPOINTED BY ALLAH (mamur-min-Allah) and declared himself “Musleh-Mahud” (the promised guide). And then with in 3 years i.e. 1947 India won freedom and Pakistan was founded. Mirza Mahmud Ahmad had fear that the neighboring Sikh population will attack and ransack the town. So despite his repeated announcement of NEVER to leave the town he was the first to emigrate to Lahore, Pakistan and then his followers followed him. Although, he had intentions to move back to Qadian along with his followers, but that chance NEVER came. He even died in Pakistan and neither he or any of his family members including his mother, wives, sons, daughters, sisters, brothers and future Qadiani Khalifas 3,4 got chance to be buried in Bahisti-Muqbara in Qadian. Even Qadiani Khalifa 4 who had financial, political, and men power sources to be buried in Qadian did NOT get buried there, and is buried in London where he died.
    Two points:
    1-Mirza Mahmud Ahmad use to make fun of Lahori-Ahmadiyya, for leaving Qadian, had to leave Qadian with in 3 years of his claim of “Musleh Mahud”.
    2- Mirza Mahmud Ahmad neither himself nor other important members of his family got chance to be buried in Bahisti-Muqbara in Qadian.
    BTW: Sikhs NEVER attacked Qadian. As prophesized by MGAQ it remained a peaceful town.
    Won’t you agree: Lord works in mysterious ways!