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May 10th, 2011

Govt of India Documentary on Jesus in Kashmir!

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri


Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib said, if Eisa AS (Jesus)’s grave is excavated, some evidence to prove it to be his (Jesus) grave will be found. I hope some day, DNA analysis from Roza-Mubarik (grave) of Eisa AS can be done. Anyways, here is a documentary on him available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9w-xJfSOyc&feature=youtu.be

May 5th, 2011

What happened to 79.9 million Qadianis in India?

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.


Professor Emeritus C.M. Naim at University of Chicago in his op-ed ‘Learn From Pakistan’ published in ‘Out Look India’ has talked about opposition to Qadianis by Muslims in India. He also talked about Qadiani Jamaat population in India. He writes:

“Qadian, described as a class III town in the census, must be a backwater place. Its total population as reported in the 2001 census was 22,001. Perhaps they are all Ahmadis, peaceably living in a place that is of significance to them. There is no reasonable estimate of the total number of Indian Ahmadis, but it cannot be more than one lac (100,000).”

I vividly remember Qadiani Jamaat Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad announced his followers, in India alone had increased to more than 80 MILLION. And our Qadiani friends use to boast about their successful propagation. I remember reading their taunts on Internet. They use to make fun of “Lahoris” (LAM members) (by picking on this writer) population in the world.

Now reading about Qadiani population in India, in a reputable newspaper in an op-ed of a respectable professor who is fighting for Qadianis makes me worry about Qadianis in India. May be some Qadiani friend updates us about well being of Qadiani followers of HMGA in India. And if Professor C.M. Naim wrote a blatant lie and intentionally discredited Qadiani Khalifa 4 Mirza Tahir Ahmad and his followers, then it is incumbent on Qadianis to take Professor Naim to court of law in USA, where he resides.

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farah Khan announced they had ‘1 Million Man March’ in 1995, in Washington DC. And National Park Service gave their estimate of only 400 Thousand. Louis Farah Khan organization threatened to sue National Park Service.

Link to Out Look India:
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271564

April 26th, 2011

Indian guru Sai Baba

Submitted by Rashid Jahangiri.


While going through online news reports about death of Indian guru Sai Baba. One thing that caught my attention was claim that his birth was result of “immaculate” conception just like Jesus (BBC Urdu online).

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib in absence of any divine guidance regarding birth of Jesus continued to keep the belief held by rest of Muslims. He held belief that Jesus had “immaculate” conception. In his opinion, which is absolutely justified, proving human intervention in birth of Jesus does not defeat propagation of Christianity. Where as proving death of Jesus does stop propagation of Christianity. But at the same time HMGA did not stop his followers for holding belief that a human fathered Jesus.

My question to opponents of Maulana Muhammad Ali sahib and other Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement elders and members, who criticize us for holding such belief:

What stops you from accepting Indian guru Sai Baba birth as result of Immaculate Conception?? Remember Sai Baba had millions of followers (including Muslims) in his life that believed in his claim, unlike Jesus who had only few followers during his stay in his native land.

If God allowed Immaculate Conception in case of Jesus then why can’t He allow it in case of Sai Baba??
BBC Urdu online link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/india/2011/04/110424_guru_sai_baba_ra.shtml

Al Jazeera English online link:
(Please pay attention to photo of Muslim follower of Sai Baba)
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/04/201142452416203714.html

April 20th, 2011

The Ark of Noah

Submitted by Ikram.


The Ark of Noah – by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Briefly, this book is a reflection of a purified mind that speaks genuinely from personal Divine experience and its consequent conviction in tauheed and righteousness. These feelings of the author gush forth in an unstoppable ecstasy out of his love for the Divine Source – Allah, respect and recognition of the Last Divine Messenger – Muhammad (PBUH) and the authority of the Last Divine Book – Quran. The author cannot hide his yearn for the reader to connect with these three sources of Islam. In doing so he is speaking from his heart rather than preaching from a pulpit.

Our generation is almost fifteen hundred years removed from Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and as a consumer of faith, its an inevitable ecstatic craving to be in company of some kind of a divine source or mind that one can connect with our contemporary times, else the spiritual grandeur of the past remains folklore and campfire stories. Is there anyone out there who can share his cup from the Divine Fountain that he has already drank from? This book gives one such opportunity to wet ones lips to such an original inspiration. Recognition of the author as manifestation of Messiah is definitely an advantage but not a requirement of faith of Islam. If one recognizes the Messiah-hood of the author, then it naturally opens ones mind to the authors spiritual connections that one can read in his extensive writings.

While putting to pen his inspirations, the author constantly reminds and even admonishes the reader that the focus of the book is not the author himself but God and fervently tries to hand carry the reader to God. In doing so he constantly addresses the in born intelligence of the reader and poses direct questions as to what keeps the reader from going to the Divine Source in the first place.

This book is a must read for anyone to experience what it means to feel the pain of someone who sees and discerns the communal spiritual void around himself. Only a divinely infused can carry this extent of anguish and this kind of pristine teaching in his heart. This book serves as a vessel to take the faithful out of sea of moral dross to the Mount Judis of Islam i.e. Allah, Quran, Muhammad.

April 16th, 2011

Now the prophecies

Submitted by Ikram.


Application of prophecies is supposed to be self-serving

The other day a lawyer friend recounted an incident in the court. During a motion hearing before a judge the opposing attorney complained that my friend’s client’s declaration was self-serving and must be disregarded. The judge paused for a moment and then humorously commented “Counsel declarations are supposed to be self-serving” Da!

The moral of the story is that any argument which relates to the claimant can only benefit the recipient and should be self-serving otherwise it loses its purpose.

With the above in mind, read the following verses about Joseph (PBUH):

12:43. Now (it so happened that one day) the king said, `I saw (in a dream) seven fat kine which seven lean ones were eating, and seven green ears of corn and (as many) others withered. You nobles of the court! explain to me the real significance of my dream if you can interpret dreams.’

12:44. They said, `(These are) confused dreams and we do not know the interpretation of such confused dreams.’

Above verse draws the parallels between the court-nobles of then and literary-nobles of HMGA times, both call visions as confused dreams or misinterpretation of prophecies.

12:45 And of the two (prisoners) the one who had got his release and who (now) recalled (Joseph) to his mind after a long time, said, `I will inform you of its (true) interpretation, therefore send me (for the purpose to Joseph in prison).’

12:46 (So he went to Joseph in the prison and exclaimed,) `Joseph, you, the man of truth, explain to us the (real) significance of (a dream in which) seven fat kine which seven lean ones devour; and (of) seven green ears of corn and as many others withered, so that I may return to the people and they may know (the interpretation and thereby your exalted position).’

12:47. He (- Joseph) replied, `You shall sow for seven years working hard and continuously and let what you have harvested remain in its ear excepting a little whereof you may eat.

12:48. `Then there shall follow seven (years of famine) of great severity (and) these (years) shall consume all the stores you have laid by in advance for them except a little which you may have preserved.

12:49. `Then, thereafter shall come a year of rains in which people shall be relieved and in which (season) they will press (fruit and seeds).’

Now imagine, the critics must have challenged the veracity of above interpretation.


12:54. And the king said, `Bring him to me. I will make him my special attache.’ And when he (- Joseph came and) spoke to him, he (- the king) said, `From this day you hold a (notable) position of honour (and) trust with us.’

12:55. (Joseph) said, `Appoint me over the treasures (- granaries and stores) of the land, for I am a careful keeper and possessed of knowledge (of the Job).’

Isn’t Joseph (PBUH) benefiting from his interpretations? Firstly, case against him (of Zulaikha) is dropped, secondly he is released from the prison, and thirdly, he becomes the chief treasurer, the highest office after the king, while his interpretation has yet to be fulfilled in fifteen years hence. There was no way for Joseph (PBUH) to prove any of his claims at the time, except that he interpreted the dream for two inmates before. Similarly, HMGA had done the groundwork of Islamic literature before his claims.

If HMGA applied the prophecies of Muhammad (PBUH) to himself, then it finds a precedence in the Quran.

12:56. That is how We granted Joseph high power in the country. He wielded authority therein wherever he chose. We bestow Our mercy on whomsoever We will and We suffer not the reward of the doers of excellent deeds to be lost.

Now, Quran testifies to the truthfulness of Joseph (PBUH) and explains the working of Divine system, where the manifestation of the prophecy results in virtuous gains for the society. Further, history proved that both Joseph (PBUH) and HMGA were correct in their interpretations. Just for clarification, HMGA cannot be compared to a prophet, but the above illustration elucidates the divine principles.

April 13th, 2011

‘Hadith in the Ahmadiyya Theology’ by Dr. Munir D Ahmad.

This was published earlier under the post “Facts are Sacred”. I have copied it to a new post for convenience of reading and reply.

Rashid Jahangiri posted the following on 5th April.


Anomosity of Dr. Munir D Ahmad towards Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, Maulana Noor Ud Din, and Maulana Muhammad Ali sahib is evident by his choice of words and the way he makes his case in article. I’m copy pasting this article with the purpose of preserving it and for ease of readers.

Admin Note: Due to length of the article, I have saved it at this holding page on this blog:

https://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/hadith-in-the-ahmadiyya-theology-by-munir-d-ahmed

April 9th, 2011

Utility of faith

Submitted by Ikram.


The story goes like this. There was a Sadhu (an Indian holy man, follower of Krishna-PBUH) who in pursuit of inner purity and to prime his “supernatural” powers became a cave dweller in remote mountains for twenty years. After a certain threshold of spiritual achievement he decided to return to civilization. On his return he came across a river. On the river was a boat that would charge minimal fee to take people across. People were queued up and when the Sadhu’s turn came to embark, he was asked for fifty cents at the toll booth. He tried to explain that he had been away for long time and had no money to pay. But the boat owner was adamant and would not budge. As the negotiation prolonged, so did the tempers. Finally, in disgust the Sadhu shook his head in defiance, with frown on forehead, took off his slippers, pulled up his loin cloth, walked down to the embankment and to the amazement of everybody walked over the water to the other side. There was a pin drop silence in the crowd with hung jaws. Soon the boat owner burst into laughter. Everyone tried to scold him, but he retorted back, “Look at this idiot! All he earned in twenty years was fifty cents.”

Moral of the story is that there has to be utility to ones faith, else it is waste of time, resources and emotions. Religion should be a source of material and non-material enjoyment. The purpose of religion is to bring body and soul into mutual harmony and uplift. Our material and spiritual passions and incitements are God given faculties and there is nothing evil in them as long they are utilized and enjoyed in balance and proportion according to Allah’s Laws. Reverting to an old example, it is the same gravity that can maim a person by a fall or be a source of soaring pleasure for the para-glider, all depending on how one utilizes it. Same can be said about our passions.

Islam for sure is an unshackling experience for man, yet it is not unbridling. Factually, it was the job description of Muhammad (PBUH) to unchain humanity from their self made dogmas to which Quran testifies:

7:157. `Those who follow this perfect Messenger, the Arab Prophet whom they find described in the Torah and the Evangel which are with them, who enjoins upon them that which is right and forbids them that which is wrong, and who makes lawful for them all the pure and good things, and makes unlawful all the impure and bad things, and who relieves them of their heavy burden and shackles that weigh them down. Indeed those who believe in him and honour him and serve him and follow the light that has been sent down with him, it is these who will attain their goal.’

A believer is nothing but a good citizen who conforms to and utilizes Laws of Allah for material and spiritual gains. Unlike human laws which are punitive, Allah’s laws have rewards built into them and it is expected of man to enjoy those rewards:

30:46. And (it is one) of His signs that He sends the winds as heralds of glad-tidings. He does it that He may let you enjoy (the blessings of) His mercy and that the ships may sail at His command and that you may seek His bounty and grace and so that you may render ( Him) thanks.

Who says, Islam in not utilitarian and fun!

For the detractors of this blog who are mostly polemic hair-splitters and who are burdened by hate and bigotry, please wake up to the Message of Quran. Your piles and piles of philosophy and medieval nit picking has not much utility to it, except like an athlete who runs on the same spot without gaining distance. Unlike your compunctions, Islam is not entrapping. Your faith must be a pragmatic and a model for the world to follow and not to be shunned like a plague. Your attitude towards LAM or other similar efforts should not be like the coreligionist of Jesus (PBUH) who fettered him before he could be in league with the Romans. Self reflect for a moment. If you carry the burden of hate in your hearts, then you are not following the faith of Muhammad(PBUH) as outlined above. Let Islam lighten your burden. Do not be ashamed of having fun. While doing so do not equate having fun to “Liberalism.” In Islam there is no such thing as “Liberalism” or “Conservatism.” These adjectives are stuck only in your own cultural background. In Islam there is only “the straight path that leads to a virtuous goal.” It is this disentanglement of man which was the mission Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ra) and ever since LAM and its literature is an effort in that direction.

As far as that Sadhu was concerned, this is what Quran has to say to him:

57:27. …And We placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him,
but as for monasticism they invented it themselves, We did not enjoin it upon them…. [him=Jesus, them=Christians]

April 7th, 2011

Slowness in accessing comments

I have noticed today that when you click on a link to reach a comment (e.g. under Recent Comments), it reaches the top of the appropriate page quickly but it waits there for a while before reaching the comment further down that page. If anyone else is experiencing this, I apologise for the inconvenience. It must be slowness on the server to execute the php script which takes it to the comment.

Zahid Aziz

April 6th, 2011

“Supernatural” as rejected by Quran

Submitted by Ikram.


To All:

Hateful, arrogant and ignorant rants on this blog are a God sent sample of bigotry that is out there and a bane of Islam of Muhammad (PBUH). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is a towering figure in both religious and secular history alike, not for the mere reason that he was the chosen one, but also for his refinement that emerged from the hardships and challenges that he faced from such opposition.

According to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ra), when one prays…

1:6. Lead us on the exact right path till we reach the goal,
1:7. The path of those on whom You have bestowed (Your) blessings…

…then one should think of the path of the person who has been bestowed with most blessings, i.e. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Remember that path of Muhammad (PBUH) was not an easy one.

Having said that, even though such hate and bigotry creates counter transference, but where in the world would one get an opportunity to critically study Quran and counter all the unnatural questions and beliefs unless some people raise them. The solution is very simple and is based upon the Quranic verse:

30:30. So pay your whole-hearted attention to (the cause of) faith as one devoted (to pure faith), turning away from all that is false. (And follow) the Faith of Allâh (-Islam) to suit the requirements of which He has made the nature of mankind. There can be no change in the nature (of creation) which Allâh has made. That is the right and most perfect Faith, yet most people do not know (it).

With this standard of Quran that everything in the Book is based upon human nature, then responding to any challenge or dogma that is brought against Islam, the responder should dissect the nature of the question. If the question is based upon unnatural assertions Quran will definitely refute it.

If Islam overcame the ignorance at its inception through Quran, there is nothing stopping it from doing the same today.

April 5th, 2011

“Facts are Sacred”

Comment on Munir Ud Din Ahmad article by Rashid Jahangiri.

Dear Dr. Munir D Ahmad sahib,

I read your article ‘Ahmadi Authors and Publishing Houses’ on anti-HMGA website www.ahmedi.org

You wrote:

“It is indeed one of the sad facts about the Ahmadiyya that it cannot tolerate independent authors. It already started during Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s time, when he got perturbed by the books of Dr. Abdul Hakeem Patialvi, who had taken an independent standpoint in the question that a human being can attain God’s favour and enter the Paradise without being a follower of the Prophet Muhammad.
He was rebuked by MGA, who also gave out the word that no independent publication by an Ahmadi will be allowed in future.”

Link to your article:
http://ahmediorg.yuku.com/topic/3557/Ahmadi-Authors-and-Publishing-Houses

I would request you:
In your opposition to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, YOU SHOULD NEVER FUDGE THE FACTS.

1- Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib (HMGA) NEVER discouraged independent thoughts and understanding of Holy Quran. Maulana Noor Ud Din held belief that a human fathered Jesus. This was different than that of HMGA belief.

2- In life of HMGA, ‘Ahmadiyya Anjuman Ishat-I-Islam, Lahore’ was founded by companions of HMGA for propagation of Islam.

3- In life of HMGA ‘AAIIL’ published their Urdu language newspaper ‘Paigham-e-Sulah’.

As Khan Abdul Wali Khan titled his book ‘Facts are Sacred’. I request you to please keep it in mind. Don’t let your animosity towards HMGA fudge the facts.

I will also post this email on Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement blog: https://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/

Thank You,
Rashid Jahangiri.